Room Eight Unity Ticket Goes to Denver

Gur and I are thrilled that two of the founding, distinctive voices of Room Eight, Rock Hackshaw and Gatemouth have been selected as the New York State Bloggers at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August.

In the unlikely case that you're not familiar with those two famous-in-New-York-politics bloggers, they're both longtime New York political hands who became powerful forces in The Politicker's comments section way back in 2005 before settling in to their own voices.

Rock Hackshaw is a Trinidad-born writer, activist, and operative who knows as much about broad swathes of Brooklyn politics as anyone else living, and is always interesting to read on the national scene. Gatemouth, who blogs pseudonymously, has his own unequaled knowledge of the folkways, history, and present of New York's political establishment, and his own equally readable, and caustic, views on national politics.

As regular readers know, they've occasionally directed their verbal brickbats at one another, though we trust they'll have so many other promising subjects in Denver that their fragile truce will hold. (They are, Gatemouth wrote, "as compatible as Hillary and Barack.")

Gate also mused, characteristically, on whether they're actually the right ones to go. I don't share his qualms. They are both devoted Democrats. They write as partisans whose views aren't blinders for their analysis -- a good combination for compelling journalism, and many of the best blogs on both sides the aisle.

And they hail from different segments of the party -- insurgent and (heterodox) regular, black and white, left and right (sometimes switching sides on who's left, and who's right). They differ profoundly both from one another and from many of the other excellent bloggers around.

This should all make for some excellent reading in Denver.



Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 9:29am.
 I don't really read Gate's blog so I can't comment, but Rock certainly deserves it.  I often disagree with him, but there is no doubt that he deserves to go. 
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 10:57am.
Way to go Rock.You are the best.
Submitted by Veto Lopes-Torrez (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 11:06am.

I'm glad Rock and Gatey are going to Denver;

my problem is that they're coming back.  

 


Submitted by Pete Seeger and The Silver Bullshit Band (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 11:11am.
cause you like just like a commie and you might just be a member,
Submitted by Barron (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 11:12am.

Gate has a political agenda he is not an objective journalist.  Hey Ben how low has your profession sunk.


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 11:22am.

Rock, Gate, the Daily Gotham, the Albany Project or anyone else all have political agendas. The DNC clearly was interested in using bloggers as an organizing tool and said so when they organized the damned thing. Advancing a political agenda is the whole idea.

Objective journalists, like the New York Post, are already taken care of in the conventional manner.

That being said, suing Rock and Gates as organzing tools is like using vodka as a mouthwash.  


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 11:40am.

The usual slam against Gate is that he is Vito Lopez's mouthpiece, but Vito is still with the Clintons, and the Gatemeister has publicly jumped ship.

As course, so has Diana Reina  


Submitted by Lunchbox Fan (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 1:58pm.

Adam Green once descibed Hackshaw and Gatemouth as "a pair of tough talking 1970s cops who don't take nuthin' from nobody"

 


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 4:28pm.
Gatemouth is Vito's guy.  It is one thing to have a progressive agenda like Rock but Gate has always been working against independent politics and supporting the bosses. 
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 5:42pm.
Anybody but Elizabeth Benjamin.
Submitted by Ravi Batra on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 5:56pm.
Bravo. Enjoy the ride, and write up a storm as history is made like never before. Congratulations! /s/ Ravi Batra
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 9:55pm.

"It is one thing to have a progressive agenda like Rock"

The Progressive Agenda of Rck Hackshaw

1) no to gay marriage

2) no to a woman's right to choose

3) yes to executions

If that's the progressive agenda, I'll take the bosses.   

 


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 05/20/2008 - 12:24am.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 05/20/2008 - 7:19am.

My first recollection of Gatemouth was when he compared Vito Lopez and Clarenace Norman to Sonny and Fredo. I also recalling him excorating Noach Dear, Carl Kruger, and Marty Markowitz. Surely, a man of Lopez's power could find himself some "guys" with more loyalty.   

It is said that conservatives look for allies, while the left looks for heretics. There is no doubt that whatever room Gatemouth enters, he always commits a heresy.

You would think that freethinkers would prefer this to blind adherence to the party line.  


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Submitted by Rock Hackshaw on Tue, 05/20/2008 - 7:19am.
GET YOUR FRIGGIN FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE ENTERING THE FRAY FOOL. Firstly; I have always referred to myself as a moderate, not a so-called "progressive". I am not foolishly into political LABELS. Most pople are all over the poltitical spectrum once you examine their positions closely. Secondly; I am for limited choice not BLINDLY pro-life or pro-choice. I THINK BEFORE I JUMP IN. I even support partial birth abortion (bet you could never understand that; can you?). Thirdly; I don't see marriage as a "right"; and no one has yet been able to demonstrate to my satisfaction that marriage is a "right". My position on "same-sex" marriage has been written about at length. Go see it before you try to do your usual hatchet job on me. Go see my LEGITIMATE concerns with re-defining mariage that most gays REFUSE to address. Finally I am against the death penalty once it is racially or ethnically (and otherwise) applied. Totally against it then. However, if the death penalty can be equally and fairly applied, I do think that there are criminals who deserve it for some of the hideous crimes they commit. Before attacking me anonymously why don't you write about your political views and positions and put your friggin name to it and defend it. Another cowardly faceless attacker.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 05/20/2008 - 7:30am.

Rock has the right to his opinions, which certainly don't disqualify him as an ally of liberals--would any liberal refuse his vote, or those of likeminded voters?

And Rock certainly never lays claim to labels like "progressive" or "reformer"; in fact, I can't recall Rock ever laying claim to any label.

 Likewise, Gatemouth not only does not lay claim to those labels, he disclaims them, but there is no doubt that on issue after issue, he is almost always to the left of center, and sometimes very much so.

I think the commentator who got Rock so outraged may have been pointing out that liberals who hail Rock while dissing Gatey are only fooling themselves. Neither meet their exacting standards of purity, but both fit comfortably --well, maybe not that comfortably--in their big tent.

I prefer commentators who refuse to adhere to party lines; even in that respect Rock and Gatey are not perfect, but I'd certainly prefer to read them than pre-chewed progressive talking points any day of the week.

 


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 05/21/2008 - 12:28pm.

This is bureacratic BS!  The Daily Gotham bloggers and any other bloggers who want to go to Denver *should* go.  Just blog across the street at the free speech area, or in the lobby of a nearby hotel, or at a local bar.  Do you think anyone online is going to notice who is in the arena blogging and who is outside next to the arena?  This is sanctimonius bull, convention organizers deeming for themselves the right to decide which sites are better than others, who are better bloggers than others.

Also why should Gatemouth, who stopped posting here until recently and has not been a prime contributor to this site in the last year one of the ones chosen to go.  Gatemouth *left* this site and only recently game back right?


Submitted by Lou from Goat's Head Bay (not verified) on Wed, 05/21/2008 - 2:44pm.

12:28: It makes a big difference whether one has credentials giving one floor access or not.

 

Otherwise they may as well be blogging from Brooklyn.

 

Which would probably be a better idea, since getting blogger designation also gets them a room, which are othewise booked solid.

 

As to your other point, wrong again.

 

Gatemouth resumed posting here in Septmember, which is hardly recently.

 

Back in September, Hillary was going to be the nominee.

 

Since that time, Gatemouth has posted twenty pieces. and that's not counting the ten I count from "bloggers" who I suspect are really Gatemouth--"Pee Wee" my tuchis!

 

Plus, I think there was another one in that category that I believe Ben and Gur deleted.

 

In fact, I count another four pieces, one in the last year, which appeared under Gatonyms during Gatemouth's supposed "retirement".

 

So, Gate has hardly been absent--he's around as much or more than such Room 8 institutions as Skurnoff and Yogurt.

 

As to the answer "Why Gatemouth", didn't he answer it himself?

 

Because he and Rock were the only ones from Room 8 to apply.

 

As to why the DNC chose them, instead of the Progressive Blogs, I dunno---dya think it might have been Daily Gotham and Albany's Project's "Let's Lynch the Speaker" campaign?

 

Not that the Speaker hasn't been "Lynched" before.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 05/21/2008 - 5:01pm.

The whole process sounds political.  I bet Daily Gotham did not get picked because the process is being controlled by Obama and Clinton people, and the administrators of that site were throughout 2007 and early 2008 pretty strongly pushing the candidacy of John Edwards.  While at the same time some were regularly villifying Hillary Clinton.  Maybe the chickens have come home to roost.  If Edwards was the nominee maybe they would have been picked.


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