Balls on the Pope

Early last week, busy campaign workers from the Working Families Party (WFP) began dropping flyers in coastal Brownstone Brooklyn encouraging people to vote for Eliot Spitzer. How puzzling!

The victory of the candidate these hours of house to house physical labor were ostensibly being expended upon was such a foregone conclusion that he was already being treated as the Governor-Elect in all but name even by the opposition party (and sometimes even they slipped and called him Governor). Moreover, since there were no local races in serious contention, this clearly wasn’t a ruse to draw out votes to help other candidates. Perhaps this was an effort to draw votes to the Party’s statewide AG candidate, currently leading by only 20 points, or the party’s candidate for Comptroller. But, even if firmly committed to Hevesi, surely the real passions of the Party’s volunteers lie elsewhere (although the Comptroller has made innovative strides in ensuring that New York State provides para-transit services to the differently-abled; clearly he is committed to the cause of "Economic Just-us"). And, if one were doing this for GOTV purposes, surely one would be trying to juice the vote in low turnout areas rather than among the sort of affluent white voters who never miss a general election (and, if Hevesi were the cause, might be likely to join the Times in jumping ship).

Certainly, if, as the flyers asserted, the causes on the line were really “universal health care”, “fair funding for our schools”, “living wage jobs” (always a big topic of conversation among the parents at the Cobble Hill Halloween Parade or on the checkout line at “Garden of Eden”), or “bringing our troops home from Iraq”, then there seemed to be better places for the efforts of these volunteer hours to be expended. Just down the Belt Parkway, Steve Harrison, a Democrat standing for all these things, is in a seemingly real race with Vito Fossella, a Republican who stands for none of them (with an overlapping State Senate race covering much of the same turf). Those willing to take longer journeys could provide real help in close contests for State Senate and Congress in places as close as Long Island and Westchester; closer to home, there are phone banks ready, willing and able to provide much need assistance to liberal-minded candidates for State Senate from across the State, and candidates for Congress from across the nation.

Surely people who are really animated by the possibilities of a government which puts people first could find better uses for their time than physical labor intended to persuade voters already committed to voting for Eliot Spitzer on one line to do so instead on another.

Take the war. The Working Families Party’s statement is as follows: "Like Jonathan Tasini, the Working Familes Party opposes the war in Iraq. It has not made us safer, and hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent overseas that should be directed to pressing needs at home. The WFP also enthusiastically supports Hillary Clinton for U.S. Senate. Voters who oppose the war should vote for Hillary Clinton, the best candidate for the job, on the Working Families Party line, because doing so will send a message that it's time to bring the troops home."

Now I support Hillary Clinton, and I did so in the primary. I also oppose the war, although, I am not sure that immediate and unconditional withdrawal is necessarily the best course of action. Nonetheless, for those who do believe this, WFP’s posture has been continually puzzling. Yes, even ardently anti-war voters may conclude (rightly, I think) that a vote for Hillary in the general is the pragmatic course of action, but certainly those who were interested in making the war an occasion for a symbolic gesture could arguably have done so far more effectively by voting for Tasini in the primary than by casting a general election vote for Clinton on a line controlled by people who supported Clinton against Tasini in the primary. But, even more ludicrously, this is not even what the literature asks for; instead, it asks for a symbolic vote against the war by voting for a pro-war candidate for an office (Governor) which has nothing to do with foreign policy. This seems like an awfully ineffective way of making a symbolic gesture, and once again begs the question of why these people couldn’t have instead been dropping flyers in Bensonhurst for a genuine anti-war candidate for an office dealing with international issues, for whom a vote would not be a confused symbolic gesture, but an actual meaningful step for change. Just to put icing on the cake, On October 26, the WFP’s blog posted an article telling people it’s OK to skip Clinton entirely if they vote for Spitzer on their line.

Even more strangely, in other areas, the message the WFP asks people to send becomes even more remote from the cause of peace and economic justice. Closer to the proposed site of Brooklyn Bridge Park, WFP is using its precious army of potential vote-getters to distribute literature urging a vote on its line to send the next Governor a message that economic justice demands that Brooklyn Bridge Park should only be built if it entails no potential inconveniences for rich homeowners with rooftop views of the waterfront. Doubtless, in other areas, voters  living in NYCHA projects are getting flyers saying a vote for Eliot Spitzer on the WFP line is the only way to ensure that the bountiful flow of jobs and pocket money for Bertha Lewis, Herb Daughtry and Jim Caldwell, which would be facilitated by an intact and unmodified Atlantic Yards project, continues unabated (and here's what they're up to in Stuy-Town). No matter what the voter's local, state, national or international cause, the solution is always the same: a vote for Eliot Spitzer on the WFP line; as an all purpose means of "sending a message", it's apparently the best thing since Western Union.

I will concede that for the very small group of voters who are both Pro-Ratner and anti-Brooklyn Bridge Park, a vote for Eliot Spitzer for Governor on the WFP line is the best way of expressing both those views at once. Everyone else should perhaps consider other alternatives for expressing their support for Mr. Spitzer (although a vote for Spitzer on the WFP line is far preferable than doing so on the the line of the thoroughly repulsive Independence Party).

The hysterical efforts to scam the unwary into voting for Spitzer on the WFP line by any means necessary stems from the reality that, in order to continue its very existence as a ballot status party, the WFP must attract at least 50,000 voters into casting a vote for Governor on its line. Therefore, efforts to support candidates in such difficult turf as the Hudson Valley and Staten Island must take a backseat to harvesting votes from the rich white people who have been the Party’s base, rather than the working class rainbow the Party actually claims to represent. Thus the corps of committed ideological activists attracted by WFP’s platform is diverted from efforts which might make an actual difference and instead used to facilitate the Party’s real Three-Point Platform: (1) “Keep the Ship Afloat!”, (2) “ KEEP THE SHIP AFLOAT!!”, and (3) “KEEP THE SHIP AFLOAT, GODDAMMIT!!!”.

Moreover, in actual practice, WFP’s efforts, even in non-Gubernatorial years, are often dedicated to making sure not that voters who might support others instead back their candidates, but rather that voters already supporting their candidates do so on their line. As I’ve pointed out, in a 1999 low-turnout special election in Rockland County, where every voter coming to the polls surely knew already who they were voting for, WFP efforts were not dedicated to pulling out black voters, but instead to polling place palm carding to ensure that voters already coming out to vote for the Democrat did so on their line instead. Like balls on the Pope, such support is merely ornamental, and serves no practical purpose. When candidates “supported” in this manner actually manage to win, the WFP then steps up to claim credit for the margin of victory, often producing dubious statistics that “prove” that their line attracted support which otherwise would have gone to Republicans.

But, the problem is not that the WFP is useless. The problem is that, as with certain members of the Priesthood, what appears merely to be ornamental can often be a vehicle for great harm. In addition to diverting volunteer efforts from the useful to the self-serving, WFP has done so much more.

As I’ve frequently noted, the Republican controlled State Senate has often been the vehicle standing in the way of economic justice and government accountability. In the effort to put an end to the Senate’s Republican rule, the WFP has been Joe Bruno’s useful idiots. Two years ago, WFP was crucial in providing the Westchester Republican Chair, Nick Spano, with his 18 vote victory in his race for re-election to the Senate. This year, with Spano as the Senate Democrat’s number one target, WFP has not endorsed Spano; instead it’s component organizations, such as ACORN, are merely providing Spano with lawyers, guns and money. Thank guys.

In the Senate Dem’s number two targeted race, against Republican Caeser Trunzo, WFP took sides in the Democratic primary, endorsing the thoroughly decent David Ochoa against the thoroughly decent Jimmy Dahroug, who won the nomintion. As of this morning, WFP’s website still indicates support for Ochoa, whose presence in the race only helps Trunzo, and WFP has billboards all over Suffolk urging a straight vote on its line to “send a message”, which, I assume is “Joe Bruno, you owe us big”.

Even where WFP attempts to rectify its wrong guesses in the Democratic Primary, they still have proven problematic. Take this statement about the 47th Senate District: “While another candidate is technically, unavoidably and unfortunately on the Working Families ballot line, the New York State Working Families Party enthusiastically supports Democrat John Murad for State Senate. We urge voters in Central New York to support the best hope for working families for State Senate, John Murad." Lovely, but their prior intervention in a contest between two apparently acceptable Democrats has now resulted in the presence on the ballot of a nuisance candidate whose existence can only help Republicans.

And more of this is sure to come. With the court decision ending post-primary judicial nominating conventions, one of the few routes for removing unwanted general election candidates (or keeping the line warm with a placeholder) has been eliminated. As such, WFP will be faced in the future with either risking draining votes from the preferable candidate, or having no candidate at all, neither of which serves the cause of peace or economic justice. Bet that the WFP chooses sins of commission rather than omission.

While the WFP’s “Count on Me” campaign lists “real campaign finance reform” as one of its priorities, in actuality, the Party has mostly used its resources to help Democrats it prefers overcome spending limitations in their primaries. Courts have found that WFP’s actions violated the applicable laws, but found the laws themselves unconstitutional in their application. While it is hard to argue with the first amendment logic of such decisions, the underlying facts is that, for many years, reformers have tried again and again to fix the system to create an equitable playing field, only to have their efforts undermined again and again. Essentially, the Bill of Rights has been prostituted to facilitate bills of wrongs, with the WFP playing the role of a local Mitch McConnell.

And a vote for Spitzer on the WFP line impedes liberal causes in at least one more way. The weighted vote to endorse, and thus ensure ballot access for, candidates at the Democratic State Committee, is based upon how many votes in the State Committee Member’s constituency were cast for Governor on the Democratic line. Every vote cast on the WFP line for Governor in a liberal stronghold dilutes the influence of liberals in the Democratic Party’s statewide candidate selection process.

The Hippocratic Oath begins with the injunction “First do no harm”. It is not a high standard to meet, but it is one at which the WFP has utterly failed. It is time to put the patient out of its misery and pull the plug on the WFP. Vote for Spitzer for Governor on the Democratic line.

See also:

http://www.r8ny.com/blog/gatemouth/a_stupid_idea_implemented_by_meat_heads_second_part_in_a_series_of_slanders_against_new_yorks_minor_ballot_status

http://www.r8ny.com/blog/gatemouth/albany_primer_why_does_nyc_get_screwed_at_budget_time.html

http://www.r8ny.com/blog/gatemouth/brooklyn_bridge_park_a_modest_proposal.html

AFTERTHOUGHTS: PAPAL BULL AND CANON BALLS

Some have justifiably objected to the comments I made concerning the Roman Catholic Church's Canon 1037, which requires the obligation of celibacy for priests. Clearly, as an outsider, the internal policies of the church are really not my business; in fact, in contrast to the Church's policies concerning abortion, which they attempt to impose on society at large, this Canon has little impact outside of the Church and its membership. However, I must note that, my comments about the Church in this post do not concern any issue beyond this Canonical law.

After clarifying inexact language, the quote causing the most offense read: "Like balls on the Pope, such support is merely ornamental, and serves no practical purpose" and then said "But, the problem is not that the WFP is useless. The problem is that, as with certain members of the Priesthood, what appears merely to be ornamental can often be a vehicle for great harm". The reference related entirely to certain clergy and the fact that their unused equipment, while appearing to be ornamental, was actually, in practice, used for purposes which were sometimes harmful. This cannot be denied, and I believe such misuse stems directly from the imperfect effort to render ornamental something not amenable to such usage. That is my sole criticism of the Church in this post. I did not mean to imply that the Church itself causes great harm, and I do not believe this to be the case.

Having long been involved in public life in the City of New York, I look upon the Church mostly as an important institution for good works. In my recall, in the 80 odd pieces I've posted on "Room 8", only one other mentions the Church. It concerns abortion. Although I unquestionably qualify as pro-choice, opposing as I do any legal restrictions on abortion that I've ever encountered, I am not pro-abortion, and I wrote a piece commending efforts at ensuring that abortion was "Safe, Legal and Rare". In my piece, bearing the same title, I condemned the Church, but only for not making "Life" its real priority.

Specifically, I cited the case of a young Catholic School teacher who was fired for getting pregnant and choosing to carry her child to term. I suggested that if the church were more interested in advancing "Life" than "Sexual Puritanism", it would have held a public ceremony, given the young woman a medal, and sent her on a speaking tour. Since sex outside of marriage is only a venal sin, but abortion a mortal one, the Church, by its actions towards this courageous young lady, sent exactly the wrong message about its real priorities (I also note my salute to Senator John Marchi, where I commend his consistent and lonely position as the State Senate's only genuine Right-to-Lifer, opposed to abortion AND the death penalty).

 So it is with the scandal concerning priests and young children. Celibacy is merely an ecclesiastic law. Such laws are of  human origin and can be altered or eliminated by human initiative in view of the changing pastoral circumstances. While it once served the purpose of eliminating efforts to pass Church property onto to the children of the clergy, it has now lead to conspiracies and coverups. All in the name of a puritanism no one actually wants to take steps to enforce. When confronted with the problem, the effort was made to hide it, rather than to figure out its root causes.

It is also no longer practical policy if the Church is to continue. In the olden days, the Priesthood attracted poor boys who could not get an education any other way. This may still be true in the third world, but it no longer works any place else. The priesthood also attracted those who saw celibacy as the only acceptable alternative to heterosexuality. With the gradual acceptance of homosexuality in societies in the Western world, this source of recruitment is also gradually dying out. Is this the source of Church opposition to measures aimed at facilitating sexual orientation non-discrimination? Surely, the Church's position condemning homosexual acts does not logically lead to opposition to preventing discrimination against homosexual persons. The late great Bishop Muguvero (one of my heroes) understood this, but such views have now gone out of fashion. Why is that? (Incidentally, I do not apply this logic to the Church's stance on gay marriage).

 I do not hate the Catholic Church, and I've certainly directed far more fury at Jewish fundamentalists than at the Church and its policies. I will cop to bad taste, and butting my nose where it does not belong, but I am not the Church’s enemy.    



Submitted by dorothy siegel (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 10:41am.

Gatey, You obviously have too much free time in your government job. Hard to believe anyone reads this offensive drivel.

You correctly perceived that your political patron, Marty Connor, will have diminished power if there is a greater WFP vote for Spitzer. Aside from that astute observation, I don't see any other observations you made that were correct or not offensive (Balls on the Pope???? What a disgusting analogy for a supposedly religiously observant perosn.)

Just one example of your foaming-at-the-mouth nonsense: You ranted, "Closer to the proposed site of Brooklyn Bridge Park, WFP is using its precious army of potential vote-getters to distribute literature urging a vote on its line to send the next Governor a message that economic justice demands that Brooklyn Bridge Park should only be built if it entails no potential inconveniences for rich homeowners"

Well, I don't think twin 30-story luxury condos, developed by Pataki's friends, with able assistance from Connor and Millman, located at the corner of Atlantic and Hicks ON PUBLIC PARK LAND PAID BY PUBLIC DOLLARS is merely a "potential inconvenience." And I certainly don't think this THEFT of public park land from the people of Brooklyn is the concern only of "rich homeowners." You might educate yourself by looking at the Brooklyn Bridge Park Defense Fund's web site: www.parkdefense.org

Let's face it, you're really ticked off because people in Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill and Carroll Gardens are FURIOUS with your patron, Marty Connor, over his role in turning Brooklyn Bridge Park into a development project. They expressed their fury on September 12 when they gave Marty's opponent, Ken Diamondstone, 62% of the vote.

Marty is an out of touch politico who has mis-represented our neighborhood for many years.

Fortunately, WFP's Brooklyn chapter voted unanimously to endorse Ken Diamondstone for the Senate. Now those furious anti-Connor voters can vote for Spitzer and Diamondstone on the WFP line, and thus express their desire for a REAL Brooklyn Bridge Park. A vote for Connor on the Democratic line could be seen as an endorsement of his vision of a DeveloPark for rich condo owners inside Brooklyn Bridge Park.

Hope you have the "balls" to post this, Gatey. But somehow I doubt it. You can give it. Can you take it?


Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 11:27am.
As I suspected, some in the WFP are far more interested in their own personal self interest than in the world beyond. Campaign finance? Spano? Trunzo? Bruno? Squandering resources on self-interest rather than targetting them wehre they'd do the most good? Ms. Siegel cannot bring herself to talk about the real problems with the WFP; instead she forcusses on something I cited in passing as an example of the deceptive way in which WFP sells themselves to different folks by any means in order to maintain their ballot line, which, in context, is surely one of WFP's least egregious crimes against liberalism. Am I to believe that NYMBYmaniacs like Roy Sloane (one of WFP's newly converted Brownstone Brooklyn backers), whose normal obsessions lie in preventing iron gates in historic districts, could really care less about economic justice? In truth, when looked at in a statewide manner, it is clear that WFP is causing more harm than good to the cause of liberalism this year, and stands to do more damage in the future. When you are willing to talk about Trunzo and Spano, please get back to me. But obviously, to some people such things as getting rid of Joe Bruno pale in comparison to stopping Brooklyn Bridge Park.
Submitted by Roscoe Conway (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 12:40pm.
The heart of Gate's comment is unassailable, however much invective the would-be Virginia Hill wishes to fling. 1) The existence and ballot placement of NY's political parties is determined by the number of votes received by the party's candidate in the quadrennial gubernatorial election. 2) Among its adherents, the WFP numbers thousands of committed political operatives willing to apply shoe leather to sidewalk - a rarity in this age of virtual activism. 3) It may fairly be said that the stated ideals of the WFP are more nearly congruent with the Democratic Party than they are with those ofthe Republican Party. 4) The enthusiastic efforts of the WFP's good-faith campaigners could be strategically applied to marginal races in order to overturn Republican majorities at the state and national level. 5) WFP leadership is instead allocating its resources in an effort to improve its ballot position to Row C (or, mirabile dictu, Row B, with the untold patronage rewards it brings!) 6) The WFP long ago eschewed the ALP as its model and instead chose to take the place of the late and unlamented Harding-led Liberal Party, slipping into fishnets and heels, slashing on crimson lipstick and resembling nothing so much as either Rudy Giuliani at an Inner Circle dinner, or Miss Hill herself in her prime.
Submitted by Marjorie G (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 12:41pm.
I can't even figure out what your narrow definition and defense of 'liberalism' is that it's so threatened by the issue-based Working Families Party. Always pro-active on issues of heath care, kitchen table issues and concerns of working folks, the WFP leverages politicos who hide behind labels like liberal, and don't do much to protect any of the issues all of us care about. The WFP holds them accountable by signing onto the issues for promise of an endorsement and boots on the ground. A pretty sound strategy. Eliot Spitzer is strong-willed, with a reputation of not listening to his critics or constituents. We like his hard-nosed approach in hopes of making Albany functional. With a huge WFP vote, he just might listen to our ideas of universal health care, and other issues not strictly liberal but inclusive. That's a good thing. Keeping him honest to his word is a good thing. Gatemouth is an appropriate name for someone who sees him or herself the gatekeeper of all correctness, but just mouths off.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 1:43pm.
Sometimes you guys forget that your readers are not all White, Jewish, and Gay/Lesbian. Whatever your title refers to, it's certainly inappropriate and offensive to Catholics, and anyone who respects other people's religion. As for the Working Families Party, it is a complete fraud and a Whore. The lowest WFM price for supporting a candidate today seems to be around $100,000. Few insurgents can afford that tag. So what has happened is that WFM has sabotaged Grass Roots candidates by going after voters these candidates would normally appeal to. It would be interesting to see how much WFM pays its volunteers out of the money they collect from candidates. Bertha Lewis is like Fulani hustling for Newman. This organization is nothing but a White Pimp hustle. So if WFM is working for Spitzer or anybody else, they have either collected big bucks or they have an arrangement with Spitzer go get some jobs. Low level jobs for people like Bertha's children have in the DA's office. Or slightly better jobs for friends and relatives of the White WFM pimps. Bertha Lewis is a kind of a Poverty Pimp sponsored by White businessmen. A kind of Fulani for Newman.
Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 1:45pm.
Still evading the issue; the issue is, how does helping Joe Bruno advance universal health care? You don't like politicians who hide behind labels like "liberal". Good, but I don't like political parities that hide behind labels like "kitchen table issues and concerns of working folks", when their concern really seems to be to get to the table first and fill their bellies while wetting their beaks. If you want to have a cahnce at seeing universal health care, then help get rid of Joe Bruno; you can start by helping to get rid of Spano and Trunzo instead of helping them.
Submitted by dorothy siegel (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 1:49pm.

You must be completely nuts.

Now you're attacking Roy Sloane, who is not a member of the WFP, but who IS one of the most civic-minded and personally generous individuals in Brownstone Brooklyn, having devoted thousands and thousands of hours and dollars over the past thirty years bettering his community. You, in your all-knowing wisdom, have decided to brand Roy a "NYMBYmaniac" who could "care less about economic justice." And how exactly does Roy earn your scorn, you foul-mouthed babbler who does nothing more than call people names and spout erudite-sounding drivel for thousands of hours?

I know both you and Marty are upset that Connor had to run a real race this year when the Brooklyn members of the WFP and the good folks of Bklyn Heights, Cobble Hill and Carroll Gardens combined forces in support of a REAL Brooklyn Bridge Park. But your patron (Connor) is an arrogant out-of-touch politico who STOLE OUR PARK and thought he could get away with it.

Aren't we lucky that there IS a political party that's not a corrupt butt of jokes, like the Brooklyn Democratic Party machine of which your patron is a charter member and you are a defender?

WFP members work hard to get good people elected to political office -- people who are honest and represent our progressive values. For example, in 2003 WFP members worked hard against the Bklyn Democratic machine to elect Margarita Lopez Torres and other independent judges to the Supreme Court. But, as the courts consequently found, the dice are so loaded that they had to throw out the system controlled by the Democratic machine.

And since when did Marty Connor focus on getting rid of Joe Bruno and electing more Democrats to the state senate? If I remember correctly, Marty was so corrupt and incompetent as the Democratic minority leader in the state senate that four years ago his fellow democratic senators deposed him and put David Paterson in that position. By contrast, the WFP fought hard to elect Democratic senators like Dave Valesky and others in 2004. WFP CONTRIBUTED to a 3-seat Democratic pickup in the state senate.

I invite the 10 people who read your blog to check out the wfp's website: www.workingfamiliesparty.org and see for themselves how WFP members across the state are working hard to Take Back Congress (19, 20, 24, 25, 26 and 29 congressional districts) by convincing independent voters to vote on the WFP line for the Dem-WFP candidates in these districts. True, there are only a handful of WFP members working for Steve Harrison against Vito Fosella, but I think working hard in 6 of 7 Republican congressional districts qualifies as promoting progressive values.

I will concede a couple of points you made:

True, because candidates are recommended for endorsement in a bottom-up democratic process run by volunteers, not professional hacks like Marty, not every good candidate gets the WFP line.

True, we are a very small organization, dependent on people actually doing political work, so we can't put energy into every race.

Thank you for this opportunity to help people learn about the WFP's good work in Brownstone Bklyn and the rest of New York State.

Do you have the "balls" to post THIS comment?


Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 1:51pm.
2:43: Your other points are mostly so on-target, that I almost want to apologize for the title, which i stole from an oldtime Italian pol (although, like the use of the N-word, this may be a case where the identity of who says the word matters greatly). As to your only points, I disagree only insofar as I think WFP was perfectly willing to endorse Spitzer no-promises asked. They need Spitzer, and his life or death entree to 50,000 votes, alot more than Spitzer needs them.
Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 2:10pm.
You seem obsessed with Marty Connor, who I've not mentioned in this thread, because he's barely relevant to it. Yeah, I prefered him to Ken Diamondstone, but no matter who won that primary, a Democrat was going to hold that Senate seat (there's not even a Republican candidate); and in the unlikely event Diamondstone wins the seat on your line, there still will be no harm to the efforts to retire Joe Bruno. So, go work your heart out for Ken Diamondstone; your only sin there will be poor targetting of limited resources. I'm sure Ken would prefer you spent your time helping to beat Nick Spano, but for some unfathomable reason, your party prefers a Spano vitory. And since the time you spend helping Diamondstone is time you are not spending to help Spano, I suppose your efforts on Ken's behalf are actually inuring to the public good. Meanwhile, in Suffolk County, WFP continues to back a sure loser at the cost of beating a Republican. At least in the 47th you had the decency to tell folks not to waste their vote on your line; why not in Suffolk? Surely, this infamita was not caused because your efforts are guided by volunteers; it was caused because your party prefers to lose to a Republican than to win with the Democrat they didn't support in the primary. Shame on you for Trunzo and Spano; but I guess it's more important to squander the general election trying to stop Brooklyn Bridge Park than to try stopping Joe Bruno.
Submitted by Michael Abram (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 2:31pm.
Given the area of expertise which Virginia Hill admitted to under oath, it is with profound sadness that I must point out that the comparison is inapt.
Submitted by Roscoe Conway (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 3:18pm.
WFP Contributed to a 3 seat pickup in the State Senate? How, exactly? District 28 - Mendez v. Serrano: The Republican incumbent, Olga Mendez was a turncoat Democrat who switched parties while in office. Jose Serrano, the victorious Democrat and son of the long-time Congressman of the same name, defeated Mendez by 43,641 votes, of which 1,881 were supplied on the WFP line. Born on third base thinking they hit a double. District 34 - Fleming v. Klein v. Kaufman: A Dem pickup by Klein in the wake of Republican Guy Velella's removal from office for long-standing criminal conduct. Klein won more than 50% in a three way race in which one of his opponents was a former Democratic Assemblyman. The WFP failed to either nominate the Democratic candidate this race or run one of their own. This was unsurprising since the WFP failed to oppose Republican Velella 2 years earlier, when he ran while under indictment. District 35 - Stewart-Cousins v. Spano: Republican Spano was returned to office by 18 votes with the nomination and help of the Working Families Party. Stewart-Cousins is again running against Spano in 2006 and, again, the WFP has failed to endorse her. District 49 - Hoffmann v. Valesky v. Dadey: Democrat Valesky eked out a narrow victory over Republican Hoffmann in a three way race, winning by just under 750 votes. Valesky's narrow margin was made possible by both Dadey's 13,234 vote showing on the Conservative and Independence lines and Valesky's 2,771 votes on the WFP line. While the WFP is entitled to congratulations for its role in electing Valesky, and credit must be weighed against its meretricious behavior in returning the execrable Spano to office. Tell me again how the WFP engineered a three seat pickup in the State Senate?
Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 3:35pm.
Roscoe; you out-Gate the gatester! Yes, Virginia; the WFP ain't no Sanity Clause.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 4:58pm.
Ms. Dorothy Siegel: Is it true as stated above that your organization, Working Families charges Assembly candidates $100,000 and more to work for them? And if this is true, have you heard of any Black/ Latino insurgent candidate or grassroots operation that could afford that bill? And you call yourself and your organization Reformers? I think you people are more of a Stumbling Block to Reform. In fact, I think WF this is just another attempt by cynical White men to control the votes of poor Black voters. It has nothing to do with Reform. If these White men want to rule non-White neighborhoods they should move into these neighborhoods and run for office
Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 5:25pm.
"If these White men want to rule non-White neighborhoods they should move into these neighborhoods and run for office" Thank you for your comments Mr. Yassky.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 5:56pm.
That there was a candidate in Brooklyn this year that WFP tried to shake down for 100 thousand dollars for an assembly race. He couldnt afford it. He passed. he lost.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 6:05pm.
I know that the mighty Working Families grew out of ACORN. Can anyone reveal the identity, background, and political philsosophy of the people who created and run ACORN?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 6:21pm.
During the 90s, I worked to try to elect Cheryl Harewood as the first non-white elected member of Community School Board 22. During that time, we were approached by ACORN, which was allegedly fighting for minority empowerment in the district, a majority of whose children were non-white. Well, we got the endorsement, which was then used by ACORN to show how egalitarian they were among the black parent the white organizers were trying to impress. At everyone of their rallies, Cheryl served as their window dressing, but on everyone of their palm cards, the first name was than of Anne McKinnon, a white Yuppie from Ditmas Park. They explained to doubting Thomases that the way the system worked this would inure to the benefit of the black canididate, but in reality it was a way to steal black votes for their white horse.In the end, white regulars like Lew Fidler did more for us than the phony white Yuppies of ACORN, though I always liked that Italian girl Michele with the big....smile. Is she still involved? Fuck ACORN. But at least they've improved; these days, when Bertha serves as Bruce's window dressing, at least she gets a small piece of the action.The minority parent of District 22 got nothing but paternalistic liberal hogwash.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 12:00am.

And when WFP endorsed Margarita Lopez Torres for State Supreme Court a few years ago, it sure looked like they were piggy-backing on her, didn't it? And Tish James could have kept all that money in her pocket. She hardly needed WFP to defeat a woman-beater. These guys are con-artists and blood-suckers like Fulani's Independence Party and Harding's Liberal Party.


Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 7:26am.
1:00: 1) WFP endorsed Lopez-Torres in a hopeless third party race for Supreme, but stayed out of the Surrogate's race. What's that about? 2) The comment about Tish is unfair becuase WFP had one thing Tish needed not easily attained elsewhere: a line on the ballot.
Submitted by Larry Littlefield on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 7:34am.

No one has been more critical of the practice of selling cross endorsements than I.

However, the excuse always provided to me has been that is what is necessary to accomplish anything. You need money to be a force. You need to trade endorsements for policies like non-partisan elections and the higher minimum wage. That is what they tell me.

In my case I put up rather than shut up. I left my public sector job (required by MTA policy) and ran as a Don Quixote candidate, both to speak my piece, and to show it was possible. Both factions of the IP helped me, one by helping me get on the ballot (no joke, now that I know what is involved), the other by putting up a campaign website for me. My family lost 9 months of my income, I got 1,000 votes. So I'm hardly in a position to argue with them.

The question, Gate, is who is it you really stand with? Don Quixotes like myself? Or operators/realists like (or otherwise unlike) Fulani/Newman and the folks at the WFP. (You say operator, they say realist.) Or, perhaps, your issue is that the WFP draws off some of the idealistic sources of political resources that the operators/realists you believe should be running the Democrats would otherwise have available? But when some of them get a little too feisty (ie. the netroots), that's a problem too.

I don't like the way those organizations are run either. The way things are at the state level, I don't want a seat at the table, I want to kick it over. I want substantial change, not incremental change with more deals to offset, in part, existing deals. But I've got to admit the minimum wage did go up. Had to be honest, write in to Cantor, and congratulate him on succeeding.

Perhaps if ballot access was determined by the number of members, not the number of votes for Governor, things would be different. Parties would have to attract large numbers of members with their own ideas, and their own candidates.


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 9:59pm.
You're all over the place trying to kiss up to incumbents as usual Gate-Mouth. Don't make excuses for Tish James. Both Roger Green and Al Vann lost the Democratic line because of incompetence and stupidity. They went out and got the signatures to get on the ballot. And they did it with volunteers. Tish James was either too lazy, out-of-touch or stupid to realize that at least 60% of the voters would help a candidate running against a candidate who was a known abuser of women, and a known dead-beat dad. WFP simply rode the train and collected a huge payment for doing so.
Submitted by Gate (not verified) on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 10:18pm.
I'm not kissing up to incumbents; and I'm certainly not kissing up to WFP. But, Al (and Roger one of the two times he screwed up), made the ballot not because of foot leather, but because of Ray Harding and the Liberal Party; they got the the line the way Tish did. And if I were Tish, I'd of done the same; it was the easier way out; out of touch and stupid would have been to go the more difficult route. However, you are correct to the extent that WFP's efforts to claim a mandate were simply riding the train.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 2:29pm.
Gate, I agree with you for the most part about the WFP being hypocritical and a drain on the Democratic Party. However, it is absolutely ridiculous to analogies the WFP to the Catholic Church. If you knew your history, you would know that it was Irish and German Catholics, in the North East and Mid West that created a strong Democratic party. This was also buttressed by later Catholic immigrants like Italians. So I am glad that you saw through the elaborate lie that those generations of liberal Catholics created. I am glad we can now lampoon all those Catholics who were so duplicitous in their actions to help the Democratic Party and this country. Al Smith the architect of the New Deal and a religious Catholic was such a hypocrite and should be purged from our history books. The Kennedy’s are just the biggest charlatans. Don’t forget those Jesuit priest the Berrigan brothers, who just went to jail for protesting the Vietnam War and the expansion of the industrial military complex. They just did that to bamboozle the nation into believing they were doing good, while in fact it was ornamental If my memory serves me correct, the Catholic Church was one of the first groups to come out against the war in Iraq, the death penalty, and protecting the poor. There are a lot of problems with the Church and the conservative Bishops that have taken over. However, to say they have done more harm then good is absolutely preposterous. This is a hackneyed argument by so called liberals who hate the Catholic Church. Gate, thanks again for your amazing incite it really open my eyes to the world.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 8:31pm.

2:29: You may justifiably object to the comments I made concerning the Roman Catholic Church's Canon 1037, which requires the obligation of celibacy for priests. Clearly, as an outsider, the internal policies of the church are really not my business; in fact, in contrast to the Church's policies concerning abortion, which they attempt to impose on society at large, this Canon has little impact outside of the Church and its membership.

However, I must note that, my comments about the Church in this post do not concern any issue beyond this Canonical law. I said "Like balls on the Pope, such support is merely ornamental, and serves no practical purpose" and then said "But, the problem is not that the WFP is useless. The problem is that, as in the Catholic Church, what appears merely to be ornamental can often be a vehicle for great harm." The reference related entirely to certain clergy and the fact that their unused equiptment, while appearing to be ornamental, was actually, in practice, used for purposes which were sometimes harmful. This cannot be denied, and I believe such misuse stems directly from the imperfect effort to render ornamental something not amenable to such usage. That is my sole criticism of the Church in this post. I did not mean to imply that the Church itself causes great harm ,and I do not believe this to be the case. Having long been involved in public life in the City of New York, I look upon the Church mostly as an important insitution for good works.

In my recall, in the 80 odd pieces I've posted on "Room 8", only one other mentions the Church. It concerns abortion. Although I unquestionably qualify as pro-choice, opposing as I do any legal restictions on abortion that I've ever encountered, I am not pro-abortion, and I wrote a piece commending efforts at ensuring that abortion was "Safe, Legal and Rare". In my piece, bearing the same title, I condemned the Church, but only for not making "Life" its real priority. Specifically, I cited the case of a young Catholic School teacher who was fired for getting pregnant and chosing to carry her child to term. I suggested that if the church were more interested in advancing "Life" than "Sexual Puritanism", it would have held a public ceremony, given the young woman a medal, and sent her on a speaking tour. Since sex outisde of marriage is only a venal sin, but abortion a mortal one, the Chruch, by its actions towards this courageous young lady, sent exactly the wrong message about its real priorities (I also note my salute to Senator John Marchi, where I commend his consistent and lonely position as the State Senate's only genuine Right-to-Lifer, opposed to abortion AND the death penalty).

So it is with the scandal concerning priests and young children. Celibacy is merely an ecclesiastic law. such laws of of human origin and can be altered or eliminated by human initiative in view of the changing pastoral circumstances. While it once served the purpose of eliminating efforts to pass Church property onto to the children of the clergy, it has now lead to conspiracies and coverups. All in the name of a puritanism no one actually wants to take steps to enforce. When confronted with the problem, the effort was made to hide it, rather than to figure out its root causes.

It is also no longer practical policy if the Church is to continue. In the olden days, the Priesthood attracted poor boys who could not get an education any other way. This may still be true in the thrid world, but it no loger works any place else. The priesthood also attracted those who saw celibacy as the only acceptable alternative to heterosexuality. With the gradual accpetance of homosexuality in societies in the Western world, this source of recruitment is also gradually dying out. Is this the source of Church opposition to measures aimed at facilitating sexual orientation non-discrimination? Surely, the Church's position condemning homosexual acts does not logically lead to opposition to preventing discrimination against homosexual persons. The late great Bishop Muguvero (one of my heroes) understood this, but such views have now gone out of fashion. Why is that? (Incidentally, I do not apply this logic to the Church's stance on gay marriage).

I do not hate the Catholic Church, and I've certainly directed far more fury at Jewish fundamentalists than at the Church and its policies. I will cop to bad taste, and butting my nose where it does not belong, but I am not your enemy.


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