Slaying the Mythical Beasts: The Legend of Phillips, Roper and O’Hara
How does a columnist rise to the occasion of the combined Hevesi/Pirro fiascos? Mere commentary, no matter how sarcastic, seems unequal to the task. The absurdity of the election deserved an absurdist response, and I started to spin wild fantasies which, although no weirder than the day’s headlines, just didn’t fit into my normal modus operandi. As such, I decided to do an “Adam Green” type column, which started to take upon a life of its own; an item about Al Pirro’s driving segued into a joke about the driving of a former top Pirro aide related to the Brooklyn DA , but before, as planned, the Kevin Hynes jokes segued into a sequence about Al Pirro driving Hevesi’s wife, they took an unexpected detour, streaming gently into some absurdity about his dad, Charlie Joe; to wit: “Reached for Comment, Hynes’s father, the Brooklyn DA refused to comment about his son, but denied he would be requesting appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate allegations he had celebrated dismissal of Sandra Roper’s lawsuit by lighting cigars with the remaining $200 of Judge John Phillips’ estate ignited over the burning embers of Mark Green’s political career. ‘You’ve got to stop reading Maurice Gumbs’, laughed Hynes ‘He’s as credible as the Jeff Feldman indictment.’ Hynes' companion, identified only as ‘Dennis’, then put his cigar out in my face.” Gatemouth (parodying Adam Green) 9/30/06 Well, thank goodness I didn’t try to tackle the Foley scandal, complete with a cartoon of Tom Reynold’s as Sweet Sweetback working the meatpacking district. But, the real nightmare came soon enough; a few days later I recoiled in horror as my sweet absurdity inspired a dead fucking serious column by Maurice Gumbs; to wit: “Worse than all is the matter of former Judge John Phillips. In addition to having been a judge, John Phillips was the owner of almost a block of property on Herkimer Street in Brooklyn. He also owned a theatre on Fulton Street, and several buildings on Nostrand Avenue. Phillips’ estate is estimated by some to have been worth as much as 50 million $$$$ today. Shortly after he announced that he would run against Hynes, the DA’s office claimed that Phillips was the target of a plot by predators. Somehow the DA’s office succeeded in providing the Court system that Phillips was incompetent to handle his own affairs, and he was put under the charge of guardians. Under the care of these guardians we understand that much, if not most of Phillips estate has disappeared. Rumors in Bedford/Stuy are that part of his estate was “sold” to persons connected to a Brooklyn judge, and other parcels to politically-connected individuals who are friends of the DA.” Maurice Gumbs 10/4/06 What had Gatey wrought? Although, like Maurice Gumbs, I voted for Hynes in 2005, I certainly carry no brief for him. In fact, I have my own complaints, which although interesting (and no, they do not relate to any current indictments), would cause the column to veer wildly off-course (but perhaps another day, perhaps). Suffice it to say, like Gumbs, my 2005 vote for Hynes was also a prudential one. But the Phillips case seems an unlikely tree for use by the Hynes hanging posse. Phillips, a marshal arts enthusiast, who twice won election to non-consecutive terms on the bench, running (I kid you not) as the “Kung Fu Judge” was always a little off the beaten track, most noteworthy for operating a Bed-Stuy theater charmingly known as “The Slave”, which Alton Maddox and company used for their pep rallies. In 2001, at age 77, Phillips decided he was running for District Attorney, an absurd thought, since there was no way New Yorkers were ever going to select someone of that age to be DA, when there were 85 year olds available for the position. However, by 2001, many believe Phillips may have graduated from eccentricity to dementia; others disagree. Hynes’s detractors have drawn a line between Phillips’ absurd candidacy and the subsequent appointment of a guardian to handle Phillips’ affairs. Hynes admits to seeking the appointment of a guardian, based upon evidence uncovered by his investigators that Phillips was being bilked out of his assets by persons seeking to exploit his condition. Upon reviewing the evidence, a judge decided to appoint the guardian. Questions have subsequently been raised about the handling of Phillips’ assets. I’m certainly in no position to answer those questions, but I submit that neither is Maurice Gumbs, whose comments on the matter are entirely a matter of rumor, innuendo and conjecture. While conjecture is often part of the Gumbs arsenal (and mine as well; no shame in drawing reasonable inferences from the facts), in this case, the there there which is supposed to underlie such conclusions does not seem to be based upon anything concrete. Even if Mr. Phillips’ estate has been looted by those appointed by the Court, rather than those who may have preyed upon him before the appointment of the guardian, what evidence is there that Mr. Hynes had anything to do with this besides blowing the whistle on the original (and perhaps only) perpetrators? But Gumbs has more: “And there was Sandra Roper who was brazen enough to run against Joe, and suddenly found allegations being made against her by an ex-client who frequented the District Attorney’s Help room. Roper quickly lost her job as a Law Clerk, and facing a long, and expensive “John O’Hara” trial which she could not afford, agreed to settle the matter without a decision.” This might actually be a serious problem if Joe Hynes’ Office had been the one who had prosecuted Ms. Roper. But, faced with someone who wanted to press criminal charges against the boss’ opponent, Joe Hynes’ office did the only appropriate thing; it dropped the matter like a hot potato. To even vet such charges would only be opening the door to trouble, so, as was appropriate, Hynes sought the appointment of a Special Prosecutor to look into the matter. It was the Special Prosecutor which examined the evidence proffered by the complainant against Ms. Roper and subsequently sought the indictment. Hence, the dismissal by a Federal judge of the suit filed by Ms. Roper against Mr. Hynes. And Gumbs has even more: “On the other hand, Hynes has a different level of energy when it comes to prosecuting his enemies. Take John O’Hara, a young lawyer who voted from an address where he did not live, was tried and re-tried, and re-tried to set a record in Kings County for retrials. And finally John was convicted, disbarred, fined $20,000, and assigned to clean parks because he committed the same offense that more than 100,000 voters in Brooklyn probably commit every year, and candidates are found guilty of committing, and are not even reprimanded.” This is actually a “executive summary” rehashing an absurd article by Christopher Ketcham which was published in Harper’s Magazine in 2004. Ketcham (whose parents essentially function as Chicken Little and Turkey Lurkey for Brownstone Brooklyn NYMBYites trying to prove that the sky is falling), has since published a series of articles, in papers like the NY Press, concerning The Hynes Hater’s Trinity of O’Hara-Roper-Phillips (many can be found here). These articles serve as the Holy Grail for folks like Maurice. I’ve not had the time or the inclination to do a thorough autopsy on all of them, but the Harper’s article concerns events with which I have some limited familiarity, and careful analysis of it should suffice to inform the discerning reader concerning the value of Mr. Ketcham’s “journalism” and the complaints leveled against Hynes concerning this unholy trinity. John O’Hara is not my cup of tea (albeit, a tea cup whose punishment does not seem to fit the crime for which he was convicted). There is an old joke that there are two types of reformers; those who throw rocks at the clubhouse because they want to get inside, and those who throw rocks because they like throwing rocks. While too often we see examples of the former, Ketcham portrays John O'Hara as the latter, but the real John Kennedy O’Hara (as he used to call himself at campaign time) is neither. Ketcham’s portrayal of O’Hara as the McGovernite who never abandoned his principles, and always ran against the clubhouse, is laughable; in almost every election he’s run, O’Hara has been the candidate of the local reactionary element, the type of Democrats who favored Nixon, and in fact, political consultant Gerry O’Brien, who’s himself run against O’Hara’s main detractor, Assemblyman Jim Brennan, has been heard in public declaring that, far from being a McGovernite in 1972, O’Hara was a young Republican who campaigned for Nixon. O'Hara was actually the political creation of Regular Democratic District Leader Anthony Carraciolo and the late election lawyer Robert Muir, one of New York’s most charming rogues. During the 80s, O’Hara not only tried to create the impression that he was a "regular", but also a conservative. In one offensive and ignorant O’Hara speech, he publicly stated that it was his mission to make sure that all homeless shelters were located at least one block outside of the district he was running in. John parlayed his regular connections into a seat on the Community Board (by appointment of our very "Regular" Borough President, Howard Golden) and also served on the Area Policy Board. When he ran his one close race, for Assembly in 1992, he was essentially the "Regular" candidate, supported by the incumbent Democratic District Leader Anne English, who had provided County Leader Clarence Norman with the deciding vote which elected him (although, in fairness to Anne’s memory, it must be noted that Norman’s opponent was Mike Garson), and O’Hara jointly petitioned and campaigned with several public and party officials, including Congressman Steven Solarz. This was not the portrait of a rebel; this was the portrait of a young man in a hurry, by any means necessary. Perhaps his near victory in 1992 changed John into an embittered insurgent, but that was not always the case. 3) Ketcham asserts that before Mr. O’Hara’s effort in 2001, "no one in living memory can testify to the last time a county-wide judgeship had been won outside the ranks of the Democratic regular machine" and then goes onto say that "reformers" had never really tried. These assertions would be news to Judges Laura Jacobson, Lila Gold, and Lorin Baily Schiffman (there may be others as well) who all beat County in the 1990's. Thus, during the decade prior to Mr. O’Hara’s involvement in judicial elections, insurgents fielded county-wide candidates at least half the time, and won in at least half of the years they did; not too shabby. 4) Contrary to Mr. Ketcham’s assertions, O’Hara didn’t lose in 1992 to Jim Brennan’s handpicked candidate, he lost to Javier Nieves, a Brennan enemy. In 1992, Brennan, the victim of a nasty reapportionment, was too busy barely hanging on to his seat in an adjoining district to take any role in beating O’Hara; his supporters in O’Hara’s district fragmented between the 3rd and 5th place candidates. Further, Ketcham’s assertions about Brennan’s holding great sway among Latinos are just nonsense; Brennan did eventually help elect Felix Ortiz to the Assembly, but it was by making Ortiz seem kosher among white voters in Park Slope. Brennan backed neither Angel Rodriguez nor Sarah Gonzalez, and while District Leader Jake Gold once bragged that Felix Ortiz was a wholly owned subsidiary of the Brennan empire, no one would say that is true today (and it probably wasn’t rue at the time, either). 6) It seems highly unlikely that Joe Hynes would go out of his way for Jim Brennan’s crew; although Brennan’s club backed Hynes in his first race for D.A., Brennan himself backed his Assembly colleague Dan Feldman; moreover, the club spoiled their Hynes endorsement later in the race, when, at Brennan’s urging, they publicly censured Hynes for some act of political incorrectness; and neither Brennan nor his club have done much since then to endear themselves to Hynes; they’ve never backed him in his subsequent efforts to obtain higher office, nor in the 2005 DA’s race. While it is a Brooklyn legend that Joe Hynes is capable, purely out of spite, of indicting his enemies and those of his friends (a constant cry heard from members of the Garson family), I am unaware of anyone, outside O’Hara’s circle, who believes that Hynes would indict someone on behalf of a pol who’s not only never done him any favors, but actively opposed him at nearly every turn. In fact, if Joe Hynes were the sort of man to use a prosecutor’s office to go after his political enemies, there is at least an arguable case that Jim Brennan would rate near the top of his target list. And, if the alleged favor wasn’t political, it is even harder to believe it was personal; those who know all three men would be hard pressed to say that the cerebral, Ivy Leaguer Brennan is Joe Hynes’ sort of Irishman; the hardscrabble O’Hara certainly fits that bill a lot better, and there was a time when they were even known to have a drink together. Others who tangle with O’Hara’s allies tell similar tales. Back in 1993, when O’Hara allies like the late Bill Thomas, a vociferous anti-Semite and homophobe (who never hesitated to use either prejudice in his public and private discourse) were leading the opposition to the shelter at the Park Slope Armory (O’Hara was their attorney), they had spread a rumor that the City had moved in 60 beds. Staff from the Mayor’s Office and the Department of Homeless Services responded by conducting a public inspection tour (six beds were found). When the City employees returned to their car, all four tires were slashed. Ketcham also neglects to examine the specious nature of the criminal charges stemming from an incident he cites which began when Brennan aide John Keefe legally tore down an O’Hara poster illegally hung on a lamppost. Keefe was charged with sex abuse, for allegedly grabbing the breast of Mr. O’Hara’s girl friend. This would probably be a first for Keefe, who is openly gay (the charges were ultimately dismissed). All of this puts the seemingly irrational bitterness concerning O’Hara amongst Brennan supporters, which Ketcham documented, into a somewhat different light. There is little doubt that Brennan supporters pressed for an O’Hara investigation by Hynes. However, Ketcham offers nothing beyond this alleged bitterness as the possible motivation behind such efforts, which normally occur with about the same frequency as Republican victories on the Upper West Side. Mr. Ketcham should perhaps consider the possibility that this animosity is rooted in more than just distaste for competitive elections. And, just maybe, this bitterness, and the “legend” behind it, sheds a light upon what the DA’s office was thinking as well. Perhaps they were thinking it was like going after Capone for income tax evasion. I can think of no other rational explanation for what otherwise would appear to be a colossal waste of taxpayer resources; something Joe Hynes would not normally expend to please a political enemy like Brennan, when the money could be better spent on a chauffeur for Howie Golden. Perhaps one day Maurice will do the necessary research. Until he does, he should probably refrain from repeating what basically qualify as myths. (NOTE: In response to a valid complaint made by a person whose real concern was probably not gentility, a gratuitous insult was deleted from the piece as originally posted, and has been re-written; please rest assured that the deleted material was not particularly funny, or I probably would have left it in). Maurice, I don't think I've ever accused you of dishonesty, and if i did, I certainly regret it. Even when you are wrong, you believe that you are telling the truth, so you cannot be called dishonest. BTW, the remark I made about you in the prior piece clearly indicates that I am aware that you have made prior statements about these matters. Obviously, we disagree at least somewhat, but if you read me carefully, I think that you will will find that I do not think that O'Hara, although both a scumbag, and guilty, was worthy of prosecution for the crimes for which he was convicted. It may or may not be that some form of "justice" was served, but I've always prefered "the law" to "justice". On the other hand, he did violate "the law" as well. To that end, one thing you say intrigues me: "Mr. Hynes was kind enough to engage in lengthy dialogue with me. He attempted to convince me that there was no malice in his actions. He basically provided me with the identical explanations that you present here." If Hynes provided for you the explanation I've speculated was the possible reason for the O'Hara prosecution (since I've given no other plausible one), than that is a very big story indeed. Frankly, I don't think that, even were it true, Hynes would be so reckless to admit this. What did he actually say to you? Gatey, When I tell you bluntly that Joe Hynes "attempted to convince me that there was no malice in his actions" how do you interpret that? This is the English Language. Don't I make it superbly clear to you that Joe Hynes tried to defend his behavior by explaining to me that he was acting properly and within the Law. Is there something about my statement that is ambiguous to you? And wasn't this precisely the burden of your own Post? Wasn't it your intention to refute my allegations against the DA, while explaining that Joe Hynes was not guilty of the suggestions of misconduct I made against him? Weren't you basically doing the same thing that I said Joe Hynes had done? So how in the world could you possibly distort my statement to suggest that(according to me)Hynes may have recklessly admitted to me that he was doing something improper and illegal. This is totally absurd, in fact, insane, because it is precisely the opposite of what I have said. In fact, this is so illogical that I wonder whether this is really you, Gatey. Or could you really be so anxious to take a last shot at besmirching my credibility before I sign off on Brooklyn. Okay. Maybe you have caught me in a lie. Why don't you send all of this to Joe Hynes and ask him whether what I recounted is true. And post his response here when you get it. However, I am through with this thread. Nothing more to say. I am truly disappointed. Ketcham's Harper's piece was such a remarkable joke, it is hard to believe that he continues to find outlets to publish his nonsense. He should take his friend O'Hara to an AA meeting.
God Mo, I didn't attack your credibility, only your conclusions. And I didn't try to distort your words, I misread you, which is why I asked for clarification; it didn't sound right. Further, to make things clear, you said the following in reference to O'Hara: "On the other hand, Hynes has a different level of energy when it comes to prosecuting his enemies. Take John O’Hara...". Whatever the merits of bringing this case, and I think it's clear that I am dubious, to say the least, I think I've established quite clearly and irrefutably that (1) before the prosecution, Hynes and O'Hara were not enemies, and (2) Joe Hynes was not going to prosecute someone for the sole reason that he wanted to do a favor for Jim Brennan and company. Thus, one of the foundations of your argument, and Mr. Ketcham's, is clearly incorrect. As to Phillips and Roper, your statement is also demonstrably untrue, as neither was ever prosecuted by Hynes' office. I respect you Maurice, but you got it wrong. This is not your fault, it seems mostly to be Mr. Ketchams's; but, as Public Enemy used to say "Don't Believe the Hype. Yoou both make strong points. I think Gumbs wins.
Did anyone catch the almost hidden reference to Milton Goldner's 1992 post-primary article comparing Brennan's victory to the French Revolution? Only Gate would reference something that arcane. Nice to be reminded of Milt. Somewhere in Heaven there's a chair for him; even if he had to bring it himself. Jim Brennan is not a machine politician, and John O'Hara is not a reformer. That I see. But there is a more fundamental issue here: are we going to have elections, or are we not? If the answer is no, eventually the distinction between reformer and machine politician disappers, as it has in Albany. That distinction is out of my childhood, and disappeared before I knew it existed. Now it's the incumbents against everyone else, no matter what they call themselves. It reminds me of Local 375, DC37. The insurgent candidate to lead that group wasn't a knight on a white horse. He was a little nutty, and a big pain in the neck. But so what, that union had been run for the benefit of insiders (some of whom later went to jail) for years. So when the ballots somehow got "lost," and when he was later kicked out of the union so the old guard could reassume control, I was not amused. Sometimes, more than sometimes. I'm be happy to vote for a nutty pain in the neck just to cause some headaches for those who tend to run unopposed and pass special interest deals without looking at them by unanmious vote. Generally, no better option is available. We concur with Anonymous 8:56. Gatey loses. Sorely. After looking at the evidence we find that Moe did what a responsible writer should do. Gatey did not. Moe knows all the parties personally. He explains that he took time to interview both sides in these matters. He looked at transcripts. We suspect he also showed up in Court. He has been known to do that. In addition, Moe is completely credible when he states that his report is not based on any personal "animosity" towards the District Attorney. We know that he has been a supporter of the DA. He goes to the DA directly like any responsible, concerned citizen can do. He doesn't reveal any privileged discussion, but he says he was not impressed with Hynes' story. In the end, Moe believes that Hynes is guilty of initiating or instigating Malicious Prosecution. Whether or not we agree, Moe has arrived at his opinions in a professional manner. On the other hand GateMouth gets into this long irrelevant rambling and insulting attack on O'hara and Ketcham. This seems almost personal. Has little to do with Moe's issues. Mo was writing about this matter long before Ketcham. He doesn't even mention Ketcham. Most likely it was Ketcham who learned from Mo, rather than vice-versa. Gatey. You are sentenced to make no further comment. Case closed. End of story Milty was probably the last of the real Park Slope reformers. He made up his signs and flyers at Park Slope Copy and took them everywhere even if he had to picket by himself. Milty went wherever protest was needed. He took no hostages. Interesting that he comes up on this thread. because I think he was one of the influences on Maurice Gumbs, and I remember that he really liked Maurice. As Gatey and Maurice will both surely recall, I was Milty's co-editor. Sad to say, since I'm sure Milty would join me in prefering Maurice to Gate, Gatey is right on this one. No offense intended to the old master. Even the Bambino struck out every once in a while. How come the writers of the blogs and their egos become more important than the facts? There is more journalism in Gumbs pieces but most of the time his articles are always centered on him, light on new facts. Breenan the fake reformer never endorsed Lopez Torres for Surrogatge. He spends more time than anyone at the Jefferson club which I hear is going to be closed down soon. 1) I think the correct characterization of O'Hara is that he is an insurgent since Brennan and the Park Slope reformers are the folks in power. 2) Since there is no logical explanation for Hynes prosecuting O'Hara for a "crime" that many, including his own former top aide, are guilty of, I have to assume it is either personal or political. Which is not someting a DA should be doing. 3) While it's true that Hynes assigned the Roper prosecution to outsider, the initial charges against were so frivolous (a senile old lady with a pattern of complaining that all of her lawyers complained about Roper) that a fair case can be made that Hynes only considered serious enough for referral because of his animus to Roper. 4) I think Hynes is getting a bad rap as regards Phillips. I don't think he is responsible for the lotting of the estate. 5) Though Hynes does deserve a rap for ignoring the looting of estates in general. 6) I know Gatemouth knows better but he implies that Hynes was not supported by the Brooklyn machine in the past (that is before he discovered 3 years ago that Clarence was corrupt and the Judicial Conventions ere not democratic). Let's make it clear - Joe was supported by County Leader Howard Golden in his first race for DA. He was subsequently supporteed by County Leader Clarence Norman in his all his subsequent races bothe statewide and countywide until last year.
Thank Yoda: Now people will stop saying we're on the same team: 1) Correct. However, this fact is used as an excuse to then say O'Hara was targetted because he was an insurgent. This would presume that the County Organization was interested in Brennan's well being (NOT VERY) or that Hynes himself was interested on Brennan's political wellbeing (QUITE POSSIBLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE TRUTH). 2) Your assumption would not be illogical in a vaccum, but it is contrary to the facts which I've outlined, which clearly show no such personal or political motive. It may well be that, for whatever reason (and I've laid out one possibilty), Hynes thought he was doing justice, which is not to say that justice was done. 3) Even looking at the case (at the time of the complaint, a pig in a poke) in any manner might conceivably have lead to a conclusion that prosecution was meritied; thus even looking at the case was an action best avoided. 4) I think the question is whether Hynes should have acted to have the guardian appointed; I don't know the facts, just what a judge decided. Only a loon would think Hynes was responsible for what may or may not have occured subsequently (of course, plenty of loons are capable of posting comments). 5) You may be correct; perhaps Hynes should investigate. 6) You have set up a straw man here. Nowhere do I imply that Hynes was not supported by the County Organization (although half the Organization, including Clarence norman and Steve Cohn, backed Dan Feldman in 89). I just deny that he is "a pure creature of the machine". Hynes did not come out of the clubhouse; he was an outstanding prosecutor who the clubhouse (or more accurately, part of the clubhouse) adopted when he ran. Even products of the clubhouse can rise above it; Al Smith did when he became Governor. On this score Hynes' record is somewhat mixed, but he does not qualify as a "pure creature" by any measure. Moreover, while the County Organization has always supported Hynes on paper, their actual support has often been of a pro forma nature, at least since Norman became leader. Some even speculate that this might underlie why Hynes felt free to act against Norman, but I'll leave such conjecture to others. I'm not on any side, I call 'em as I see 'em on a case by case basis. And yes, sometimes I play devil's advocate, but if I were doing so in this case I would be submitting a brief on behalf of Mr. O'Hara, who is as much of a slug as anyone I've ever encountered in politics. Actually though, I did say the following: "John O’Hara is basically a pig (albeit a pig whose punishment does not seem to fit the crime for which he was convicted)" and "I can think of no other rational explanation for what otherwise would appear to be a colossal waste of taxpayer resources; something Joe Hynes would not normally expend to please a political enemy like Brennan, when the money could be better spent on a chauffeur for Howie Golden"; so perhaps I've given the devil his due.
I agree that Hynes is not a product of the clubhouse. But then again, Clarence is not either. He began an insurgent, in fact a reformer, running against the clubhouse candidate. Hynes cooperated as much as any DA could legally with the Brooklyn organization until he split with Clarence. This included his running with every hack that would put his name on a petition or palm card, his son serving as counsel to the judicial convention and his turning a blind eye to the Surrogate's court
Yoda: I'm not serving as Hynes' defense counsel here. Someday I'll discuss the abortion called the "Jerry Rosenberg investigation", which stands as one of the most inappropriate efforts to undermine judicial independence ever undertaken by an NYC DA. But, as to the charge that Hynes used the DA's office to prosecute his political enmeies, the man stands as "not guilty", although I do not rule out that a questionable use of discretion may have been excercised in the O'Hara case, just not for the reasons stated.
Whatever Gatemouth's personal differences with John O'Hara, he has clearly gone off the deep end with O'Hara by repeatedly calling the man a Pig. There is a long reprehensible history of Irish persons being called Pigs by the English, Europeans, and even by Jews. If Gatemouth wants to call O'Hara a Pig he should do it face to face and in private. Evidently O'Hara has to be fairly smart and capable of effective strategy. He took two candidates who had no club support, no name recognition, no community recognition, and maybe avout $15,000 each and single-handedly won County-wide elections with them. He destroyed the myth that only Jewish candidates could win County-wide judgeships. It was John O'Hara and no one else who opened the door for Black and Latino candidates to become County-wide judges. He gave birth to them.You wouldn't want your father or your mother to be called a Pig, would you Gatemouth? I think Joe Hynes would be shocked to find that the act of defending his honor was branded as anti-Irish.
The only reason that Hynes when against Norman and said he was going to clean up the judicial system in Brooklyn was that Norman was getting ready to run Sampson against Hynes. That is why Hynes took Norman out. Since the election except for Norman Hynes has not done one thing to clean up Brooklyn politics or its court system. He even turned his back to let Feldman run this years judicial campaigns. Anyone who says that Feldman should do whatever he wants should read Judge Gleeson decision. Any democratic leader an 1% morality would dump Feldman from the party on just what he did to Judge Lopez Torres. Today the leaders of the party are whores, with no standards. Hynes at First said that the Green 2001 once case was still open. When Green's people put pressure on the DA for getting involved in the AG race, Hynes said that Green was Clean, but he was still looking into where the 250,000 went that green paid Norman for the 2001 general election nomination. Don't hold your breath on that one the 5 year statue of limitation has already run out. If Hynes is not clubhouse then Howard Golden is not clubhouse or Meade? This blog is a joke Sharing what Hynes and his connections know
1. For your information, when Hynes got the notorious Judge Skolnik to declare Phillips incompetent, Harvey Greenberg, Hynes' former chief of staff was made the "Emergency" guardian
2. 3 Phillips buildings appraised at $800,000 each were sold for a total of $300,000 at an unpublished auction
3. When Phillips property worth over $3.5 million was about to be sold for a fraction of their value, Judge Pesce, then in charge of the matter, suddenly recused himself. Guess why?
GateMouth. Just read the thread and see what you started. And it could get worse by tomorrow. We're getting crushed here. Thanks for the try. We know you meant well. But just leave it alone. Don't try to fix it. Please.
Gatemouth depends on his friends to give him political appointments. And all of you know this. His clients pay his rent he is not an independent journalist giving independent or objective views? Why do you blogers not get this. It make me wonder about what else you don't get. First, I think Gatey won hands down.
Second, a few absurd comments that can't be left unspoken to:
The Jefferson Club is about to close? Hmmm. Hard to say that from the last election result in which their Assembly candidcate was re-eelected with 74% of the vote, and they carried the two county wide Civil Court candidates overwhelmingly...or the fact that one of the Surrogates comes out of the Club....sheesh. Totally ridiculous.
Hynes indictedcx Norman only after the Sampson for DA rumor? Could that be the most untrue statement EVER published on this blog? This is nto even CLOSE to the truth. Period. In fact the Sampson candidacy was borne out of the Hynes investigation of Norman when the latter seeking vengeance determined to get Hynes. With all of the usual folly like getting Wooten out of the race to unite the AA vote...pay-off to come?
Keep the facts facts.
And on the facts, GAtey won hands down.
PS O'Hara was a money grubbing pay to get on my pal card guy from the beginning. George McGovern wouldn't have spit on the guy if he was on fire. Pig is a fairly apt designation Willie Joe. It sad how Gate complements his trash on the blog by going Anonymous sometimes - the guy is nuts and he knows it
4:23: I won't deny that I've done what you are accusing me of doing from time to time (big deal, Ben Smith's admitted to it too, and I suspect you've done it on this thread), but I assure you that Mr. Koota, who regularly appears on Gumbs' blog (where I am not shy about making about using my own name to make my points) is a totally different person. Moreover, I suspect that you know this and might even harbor the same suspicions as to his identity. I've endured quite a bit of abuse on this thread, and had to be convinved by Gur not to have him zap a few comments and shut the whole thing down. But, enough is enough, I am not Koota.
Maurice: In the NY Post today there is a story about Phillips which seem to back up what you have been saying here.
Just read the New York Post article you referred to. Hooking it up with the post by Amicus Curious above (10/6 ) 11:01, seems clear that Joe Hynes and his office planned to hurt this old man and scam him from the beginning. Looks like this woman Emani saw everybody stealing this man's money and property and decided to join the gravy train. Sure she will have a story to tell. She might blow this whole thing wide open. Who will investigate Hynes the same AG or DA that is not investigating Comptroller Hevesi for stealing 80,000 for driving his wife around? Hynes and Hevesi will get away with their crimes Gatey does not fess up, he just goes on to a new topic, is a job
Well if it's a job and he's on the public payroll we're in deep doo-doo since all he seems to do is write for this blog.
Well, the Post article provides more than a reasonable suspicion that Phillips' estate is being looted. However, Gatey never denied that. Obviously though, given the statements of the current guardian, it is clear that Gumbs has far more knowledge than Gatey about the estate's current state of affairs. Score that rounf for Maurice. Where Gatey is correct, and where Gumbs appears to be overreaching, is on the question of Hynes' responsibilty for the current state of affairs. As the article points out, Phillips has and had Alzheimer's. It would appear that appointment of a guardian may have been merited. Under the circumstances, it seems a stretch to directly blame Hynes for the actions of Ms. Taylor. Here the kudos go to neither Gumbs or Gatey, but to Yoda, who has accurately pointed out that Hynes' office has been notably slack in investigating such concerns, which seem to be epidemic in Kings County. Read everyone and the real truth gradually emerges.
5:57: In the five days since I posted this thread, I've posted five times, which is at about the same rate as Larry Littlefield. Would anyone call him dull? (lol) . Two of the posts were linked by Ben Smith, so they can't be that bad, can they?. Another was vitually a one liner, and a dirty joke at that. Except for the Ahlert piece, none could be called inherently dull; Ahlert is inherently dull (although the 11th CD piece was highly technical, it was a cornucopia for the junkies who visit Room 8). I assure you, I do not write with the intention of being boring. The only reason this thread is so long is that you keep posting on it pretending to be different people. Well, as Mr. Foley once said, "everyone needs a hobby". Gene Gold is another fake name of Gatemoster. He mission to protect Heynes. It clear the the Brooklyn Courts are used to loot the sick and old. Who going to stop this Heynes Gatey? What does Judge Peshie know?
GateMouth. You appear to have access to official inside info that no one else has. Neither you or other defenders of Charlie Joe had responded to the posting below.
Straigth question GateMouth. What your readers need to know is if this Harvey Greenberg is a "Mythical Beast" of if he is real? And can you or Yoda or Koota or JP or Gene Gold find out from your sources if the statement below is true and post it here. It really changes the picture, doesn't it? Also if Maurice has
not left as yet he really should make a statement about what he knows about this Greenberg person. Here follows the posting:
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Submitted by Amicus Curious (not verified) on Fri, 10/06/2006 - 11:01pm.
Sharing what Hynes and his connections know 1. For your information, when Hynes got the notorious Judge Skolnik to declare Phillips incompetent, Harvey Greenberg, Hynes' former chief of staff was made the "Emergency" guardian 2. 3 Phillips buildings appraised at $800,000 each were sold for a total of $300,000 at an unpublished auction
I've been trying to follow the thread and I'm confused. I know that the current guardian has made accusations against his predecessor Emani Taylor which involve "looting" the estate. What I don't get is what is it that Greenberg was supposed to have done. How long was he "Emergency" guardian? was he the ones who sold the buildings in question? Did this violate standard procedure or was it sactioned by the court? Did Hynes ask that Greenberg be appointed? Please, someone, clear up these points.
Fununy thing. After re-reading the thred, I re-read the post. It barely mentions Phillips. After quoting Gumbs on Phillips, Gatey spends two paragraphs answering; one of those paragraphs is mostly used for jokes, and the other says little of substance beyond "whatever happened, don't blame Hynes". Gatey hasn't a clue as to what happened and pretty much says so. After quoting Gumbs on Roper, he dedicates a short paragraph to his reponse. The main purpose of Gatey's article seems to be to get O'Hara and Chris Ketcham, which he does with gusto. I don't think Gatey gave more than a moment's thought to Phillips, and it shows. Slaying the beasts? Maybe one out of three. Hey I did not know that Harvey Greenberg was removed Surrogate Michael Feinberg attorney. How the hell can Hynes investigate Feinberg or Carl Andrews if his pay Greenberg is removed Judge Feinberg attorney. This is what Erik Engquist wrote on March 14, 2005 - …Brooklyn district attorney candidate Arnie Kriss charged that incumbent Joe Hynes should not be trusted to investigate Brooklyn Surrogate Michael Feinberg because Hynes pal Harvey Greenberg is Feinberg’s attorney and was assigned legal work by Feinberg. “Conflict of interest,” Kriss charged. Facts hurt the BS Gatey I'd like more answers about Greenberg. Obviously, his business is representing sleazeballs, but that tells me nothing about the Phillips case. What is he have supposed to have done?
Was Greenberg both the fixer and fund raiser for Hynes. Was the Trusteeship of the judges estate a payback for Greenberg. You decide after reading this old story. http://nypdconfidential.com/columns/2000/000529.html DA’s lament: Foiled again! May 29, 2000 When an anonymous letter arrived alleging favoritism in Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes' office, Your Humble Servant naturally tried to learn if the intrigues described could possibly be true. On May 4 One Police Plaza asked a prosecutor named in the letter about these allegations. He refused to respond, referring inquiries to the office spokesman, Kevin Davitt. Davitt, however, did not respond. Instead, he wrote to Newsday's editor, Anthony Marro, saying, "In the event that Newsday chooses to publish any of the contents or allegations of this 'anonymous letter'...we will be forced to pursue the matter with legal action." Davitt's letter added: "I believe, upon being informed by Mr. Levitt of the nature and subject matter of said letter, you will understand why we have retained counsel to review the actions of Mr. Levitt and your newspaper in this matter." Immediately after that, Newsday requested under the Freedom of Information Law the resumes, salaries and dates of promotions of two assistant district attorneys named in the letter. Newsday also requested records of an out-of-state business trip that several sources in the office said two of the prosecutors mentioned in the letter made. But the wheels of justice turn slowly in Brooklyn. On May 12, Assistant District Attorney Jodi Mandel, the records access officer, wrote to Newsday: "As you can no doubt imagine, this office receives a tremendous volume of FOIL requests each day. Accordingly, to be fair to all requestors, FOIL requests are generally answered in the order in which they are received. Since there are presently other outstanding requests that were received by this Office before your own, fulfillment of your request must wait until these others are answered. "I hope that this delay will not cause you any undue hardship or inconvenience." Davitt, meanwhile, said Friday that the counsel his office has retained would not receive any public funds and would serve pro bono, for free. The counsel, incidentally, is Harvey Greenberg, a former Hynes fund raiser, who served a tour as first deputy in the district attorney's office. Asked whether instead of reviewing the actions of this reporter and of Newsday, Greenberg had considered reviewing the favoritism allegations, Davitt said, "We're only responding to your inquiries." Sounds like "no." 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Gatemouth, I just had a quick read of your posting above. I must tell you that I had not, and have not so far read the previous posting to which you referred. I have been busy wrapping up a number of other unfinished matters.
So I hate to disappoint you. My column was in no way inspired by your piece. Actually, if you have followed my writings as you claim, you would know that I have written on the subject of John Phillips, John O'Hara, and Sandra Roper on more than one occasion. I have expressed my concern to District Attorney Hynes by way of these articles.
More than that, I have met with Joe Hynes in person and voiced my concern that he was unjust in all three of these situations. Mr. Hynes was kind enough to engage in lengthy dialogue with me. He attempted to convince me that there was no malice in his actions. He basically provided me with the identical explanations that you present here.
I have known Joe Hynes far longer than any of the three individuals involved. In fact I considered myself far more of a friend to Joe Hynes than to Roper, Phillips or O'Hara. However, I have read the legal papers in all three cases and I have spoken to both O'Hara and Roper at length several times since their matters were in Court. So I suspect that I might have a better-educated perspective than you do. And in spite of the explanation given to me personally by Joe Hynes I am convinced that the DA acted out of vindictiveness and spite in all three situations.
Joe Hynes was not able to convince me otherwise. And I told him so in no uncertain manner. You also need to know that even after I disagreed, and was unhappy with his actions, I still proceeded to support him last year at a time when he critically needed exactly the kind of support I could offer. And even while supporting him, I openly stated my unhappiness about his behavior towards Roper, O'Hara, and Phillips. This should be clear to you and others who might rush to the conclusion that my judgment is clouded by any animosity towards Joe Hynes.
I would suspect that my information on these 3 matters is much more balanced and relevant than what you have provided, and my attitude far more objective than yours.
Much of your lenghty dissertation has been spent on story-telling about O'Hara, whom you gratuitously choose to call a "pig." These anecdotes though entertaining, are irrelevant. The John O'Hara matter is simple. As someone who has a long familiarity with voting, voters, and the Courts, you cannot denty that that at every election, not just voters, but candidates commit the John O'Hara crime, and at best are given a warning. You will have to agree that such offenses are never prosecuted. The prosecution and multiple re-trials of John O'Hara were indefensible, selective and malicious. .
Your version of how a complaint happened to be lodged against Sandra Roper by a, somewhat confused, elderly woman who frequented the DA's office again comes from Joe Hynes. It is what I also was told. There is another version which I find far more credible. The befuddled testimony of the elderly lady in Court confirms it.
Finally, you need to know that the reference to Roper, O'Hara, and Phillips is part of the promised wrapping up of my monitoring of Brooklyn politics. You choose to ignore the fact that it is of a piece with my demand for fairness and equitable treatment for those who are unempowered. It also reflects my opposition to abuse of power.
By taking this position I have alienated and antagonized a powerful and vindictive public official who could have been a helpful friend if I chose to have it so. So, tell me how dishonest I am, Gatey. Or how lazy and unprofessional I have been in my research or maybe how dumb.