The Great Genocide Denial Debate: Goldhagen Versus Storobin

“Survivors of all genocides say the same thing: We want the truth told. We want people to know what happened so that it will not happen to others…We should honor the survivors’ wishes everywhere for truth and justice, and this means that, whatever the momentary political costs, we must insist that the truth be told about all genocides. The Turks murder of the Armenians included. Those who fail to do so perpetrate a moral and human scandal, and cast a bad light on themselves…” DANIEL GOLDHAGEN        

Every once in a while, an article jumps off the page of a newspaper (it is not currently available on the web) that just makes one scream “Yes! Yes! Exactly!”

I had this experience while reading Daniel Goldhagen’s superb “THE OTHER DENIED GENOCIDES” in the February 17, 2012 Edition of THE FORWARD (currently still on the few newsstands which carry this fine paper).

The son of a Holocaust survivor, Goldhagen became a scholar in the field of Holocaust studies, but eventually expanded his reach to analysis of what he characterizes as “eliminationist assaults.” In 2009 Goldhagen published Worse Than War, Eliminationism, and the Ongoing Assault on Humanity.  He interviewed genocide perpetrators and victims in Rwanda, Guatemala, Cambodia, Kenya, and the USSR, as well as politicians, government officers, and private humanitarian organization officers. Goldhagen’s aim was to help "craft institutions and politics that will save countless lives and also lift the lethal threat under which so many people live.” He believes "eliminationist assaults" are preventable, because "the world's non-mass-murdering countries are wealthy and powerful, having prodigious military capabilities (and they can band together)", whereas the perpetrator countries "are overwhelmingly poor and weak." The book was later adapted into a documentary film of the same name.

 Though written for a Jewish paper, the point of Goldhagen’s new article is that the Holocaust is part and parcel (albeit the largest part and parcel) of a much larger picture.

And this point includes its crucial subset: that Holocaust denial is part and parcel of the larger phenomenon of genocide denial (and perhaps not even the largest part).  

“If Holocaust denial is the best-known and most widely practiced form of genocide denial, it is neither the only or the oldest. Already this year, in the span of just a few days at the end of January, we saw a few potent examples of the pushback against those who would try to bury the memory of mass murder. The French legislature criminalized the denial of the Turks’ genocide of the Armenians in World War I….

…Every denial movement is organized and led by political leaders, often at the helm of a state, who place enormous obstacles to the truth being told or to justice done. Denial movements cast doubt on, and confuse people about…the Serbs genocide of Bosniaks in the former Yugoslavia from 1992 to 1994…   

The Turks’ denial of their slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians is the oldest, most consistent and, probably, most effective large scale genocide denial phenomenon.”

As some may have noticed, I’ve recently written about a couple of incidents of genocide denial involving a Republican State Senate candidate named David Storobin. 

As I noted, Storobin is the author of a truly repulsive vat of rancid smegma in which he denies the Serbian genocides against both the Bosnians and the Kosovars

“In the early 1990s, Yugoslavia fell apart along ethnic lines. The most contentious place was Bosnia where the Muslims clashed with Christian Serbs. Both sides committed atrocities…”

“It was thus hardly surprising that Bill Clinton chose to help Bosnian Muslims over the Serbs. What was unusual was the vilification of the Serbs as the only side that committed atrocities. While it is true that the Serbs committed crimes, it was always doubtless that Bosnians did as well.”

“Bill Clinton's grotesque unofficial and indirect alliance with Osama bin Ladin and Iranian Ayatollahs against Orthodox Christians (Russians and Serbs) was presented as a fight for human rights.”

“In March 1999, after months of exaggeration of Serbian atrocities by the Western media… Washington-led NATO began the air campaign against Serbia

To refresh the memories of those who might not have been paying attention, both Serb genocides, which the Serbs refer to as “ethnic cleansings” (perhaps subconsciously recalling the Nazi tactic of making their victims into bars of soap)  involved, among other things, forcible displacement of  civilians, looting of homes and businesses, widespread burning of homes, the use of human shields, detentions, summary executions, exhumation of mass graves, systematically organized rape, violations of medical neutrality and identity cleansing.

By contrast, the victims’ tactics mostly consisted of self defense.

In Storobin’s view, neither of these genocides qualified as a Holocaust, although that is almost certainly because, in both cases, US intervention prevented them from becoming such.

Nonetheless, Storobin condemns those interventions in the strongest terms. 

I am not saying that one had to be a genocide denier to oppose the US intervention in the Balkans. Pacifists opposed it, isolationists opposed it, some realists opposed it, as did some opportunists. I think they were all wrong, but their reasons were not necessarily repugnant on their face. 

But while one did not have to be a genocide denier to oppose US intervention, David Storobin is indeed a genocide denier. Most pacifists, isolationist, realists and opportunists who opposed US intervention were not sympathetic to the Serb cause, and Storobin was.

There seem to be several reasons for Storobin’s position. One is that Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims sided with the Nazis, while most Serbs sided with the Allies.

By that standard, Storobin would have opposed the US airlift to break the Soviet blockade of Berlin.  

I suppose one could understand a Russian who lost so many family members in the Second World War holding such a grudge, if Storobin hadn’t written so sympathetically about Russians who collaborated with the Axis powers.

As I’ve noted, the Serbs were also supported by Vladimir Putin, and Storobin loves Putin.

On Friday, The New York Times noted that in a 2008 article Storobin “condemned both Bosnian Muslims and Christian Serbs for committing atrocities.”

 This is not accurate. Storobin didn't condemn the Serbs at all; everything Storobin said about the Bosnian conflict was an effort to excuse the unspeakable acts committed by the Serbs.

The Times went on to note:

“Mr. Storobin said he had now “adjusted” the article to reflect that the atrocities were more “one-sided” against the Muslims.”

This is just a foul lie.

I first read the article (since deleted) in December, on one of the websites Storobin founded. At that time, it had not been “adjusted.” I had someone retrieve the last version of this article as it existed on the place it was first published and it has not been “adjusted.” Storobin could not have “adjusted” it since, since it no longer exists.

There is no version of this article on the web, either accessible or retrievable, where Mr. Storobin “adjusts” his disgraceful genocide denial.

Did the Times fact-check before it printed Storobin's lying denial?

And anyway, Storobin still won't call genocide genocide. 

Probably never will.  

Storobin’s pro-genocide views on Serbia are so profound that he defends Russia’s right to preemptively use nuclear weapons on the Serbs’ behalf and attacks Jews who supported US intervention as pussified “liberals,” even though those “liberals” included the Orthodox Union.

Storobin even justifies the possibility of retaliatory Russian action against Israel.

And liberal Jewish organizations must remember that should they support KLA terrorists in Kosovo, Russia and its allies would be fully justified in aiding Hamas in Gaza as payback.”

But what may be most striking is Storobin’s facilitation of denial of the Armenian Holocaust.

GOLDHAGEN:   Turkey has actually criminalized telling the truth about the genocide, and the Turkish state…has continually made falsifying this history a central foreign policy stance, threatening and sanctioning and influencing countries and individuals (including scholars) who would otherwise speak the truth about it…While German have all been confronted repeatedly with the truth about their countrymen’s perpetuation of the Holocaust, most Turks have been fed lies by their government, have never been exposed to how their countrymen exterminated Armenians and believe their claims about the genocide are merely attempts to blacken Turkey’s name.  

What sort of scum would aid and abet such an infamita?

An article by a denier of the Armenian genocide gives a telling insight into David Storobin’s view of genocide. The sick and twisted genocide denier describes the process whereby Storobin agreed to publish his holocaust denial article on Storobin’s website, "Global Politician"

Storobin (to the Holocaust denier): Thanks again for agreeing to put this up. If 'Global Politician' has at all an image of being cutting-edge, not to mention courageous, I don't think this article will hurt it. And those who know the real truth about this matter will regard your publication with much respect.

That such an article excited Storobin is of course no surprise, given Storobin’s own noteworthy and reprehensible efforts at genocide denial.

True to form though, Storobin eventually scrubbed the article. He didn’t even notify the author. Nor did he post any explanation or apology. He just disappeared it.

The sicko then wrote to Storobin, making sure to thank him for his courage. Storobin replied, "Everyone, including some writers who have nothing to do with Armenians complained." In return, the sicko noted that a few other sites had already reproduced the article before Global Politician iced it, and said "Won't it raise eyebrows if readers find the article has disappeared from the source?"
Apparently it was a lesson Storobin has yet to learn.

DANIEL GOLDHAGEN: Like the Holocaust itself, Holocaust denial is a well known if often misunderstood phenomenon. In its most naked form, it denies the historical fact that during the Nazi period, German, helped by other Europeans…sought to kill the Jews of Europe and managed to slaughter 6 million of them. In somewhat less brazen form, it denies not the German perpetration of the Holocaust in its entirety, but merely central aspects of it, such as that they used gas chambers or that they killed a number close to 6 million Jews

…Holocaust denial consists of more than outright denial of the Holocaust. It includes a variety of attempts to cast doubt on, cover up and confuse people about the Holocaust, in essence to falsify the history of this period and to fabricate a fictitious version, because it serves many people in diverse ways, primarily politically, to have such a fictitious history become accepted…In this sense, the original name that the Holocaust deniers gave themselves, “Holocaust revisionists,” is correct insofar as they used a variety of strategies, many of which were not outright denial, to revise (albeit falsify) the understanding of the Nazi period and what the Germans and others did to Jews.

Goldhagen seems sanguine about using the long arm of the law to deny Holocaust deniers and genocide deniers a forum. It is a rare area where we disagree. People should be free to publish what they want. In America, we have freedom of speech and press I’m all for it.

Let no government prevent anyone from saying or publishing what they want.

But they’re not free to say it in my space.

In my space, I get to set limits. That is the right of the owners of this space under the First Amendment, and my right under the terms set by the owners of this space.

G-d bless America!

Free speech means I not only get to deny genocide deniers space on my site to spread their vile filth, but it means I get to call out those who spread such filth, like David Storobin (regarding the genocide committed against the Bosnians and Kosovars) and those who enthusiastically host such filth, like David Storobin (regarding the Holocaust against the Armenians).

 I judge such people guilty of crimes against humanity.

The sentence is a total ban from civilized public affairs until there is a complete and though public apology, followed by a long period of exile.

But David Storobin can barely acknowledge he did anything wrong.

 As Crain’s recently noted:

Storobin said…“My views have evolved over the years, but there's nothing I've been ashamed of. I'm very proud of the stuff I've written.”

Storobin thinks non-existent “adjustments” and disappearing his paper trail without even an apology suffices for his sins.

It does not.

To be clear, this piece is not merely a diss of David Storobin.

A few days ago, a defense of Storobin’s other literary excretions was posted on Room 8 by Vincent Nunes, a 9/11 truther, Holocaust denier (at least by the Goldhagen definition) and conspiracy nut (but I repeat myself) banned from Room 8’s front pages, but still allowed to post in its nether world, where he is often linked by the sort of hate sites that also link David Storobin.

Like Storobin, who denies he is a hater because he’s a Jew, Nunes denies he’s a hater because he’s black.

Shortly after Nunes’ post, I noted that Storobin was being defended by a Holocaust denier.

Nunes then posted a response in my thread, the substance of which was that Nunes was not a Holocaust denier; he only denies the existence of the gas chambers.

He actually proudly declares himself a “Gas Chamber Denier.’

Goldhagen says Holocaust denier and “Gas Chamber Deniers” are one and the same.

Nunes went on to give full illustration to these views, and in keeping with my policy about how decent people treat genocide deniers, I did not respond by saying, as David Storobin would “Thanks again for agreeing to put this up. If Room 8” has at all an image of being cutting-edge,  not to mention courageous, I don't think this comment will hurt it. And those who know the real truth about this matter will regard your publication with much respect.”

 Nor did I, in the manner of Storobin, cowardly delete Nunes’ post without comment or acknowledgement.

I deleted it and said why. 

Actually, unlike Goldhagen, I agree with Nunes to a tiny extent; there is a slight distinction between what he does and pure Holocaust denial.

But it is not much of a distinction.

As far as I'm concerned, Nunes is entitled to take a tiny bit of umbrage, but not much more than that.

It would be as if some crazed right wing blogger turned State Senate candidate who gave sicko bigots an uncritical forum to express their hateful fringy views, (while dog whistling his approval of their views and sometimes expressing that approval openly), then got angry because someone naturally assumed that he might be connected to the sort of people he repeatedly gave a forum to.

In response to my comments, Nunes has seemingly threatened my life.  

“Who may ascend the hill of the Lord?
Who may stand in his holy place?
He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who does not lift up his soul to an idol,
Or swear by what is false.
He will receive blessing from the Lord
And vindication from God his Saviour.
...

A false witness will not go unpunished,
And he who pours out lies will perish….

…Remember, I didn't start this fight, but I will finish it.

And:

“What a ball-less wonder.

I predicted this course of action… you better not slander my person with the term "Holocaust denier" ever again.

Here's something to consider:

No one gets threatened for believing Elvis or Jim Morrison is still alive;

No one gets threatened for believing in the Bell Curve;

No one gets threatened for believing the Earth was created 6,000 years ago;

You're just a fool.

Mention me again, and I'll be all over you like the bad smell from your female private parts.

GOD bless America!”

I don’t recall making any threats, the only threats I see are from Mr. Nunes.

I just stated my belief, which is probably a majority view, that “gas chamber denial” is a species of “Holocaust denial.” I think Mr. Goldhagen adequately explains why.

Perhaps I will report now report Mr. Nunes deranged ravings to the 76th and 84th Precincts.

That, my friend, is a threat.

And not an idle one.  

 

 



Submitted by mole333 on Sun, 02/12/2012 - 11:46pm.

Rarely would I say this, but I say it now. Please edit this for Daily Kos. There are several elements of this that deserve far more exposure and you could turn this into a superb, widely read article. Many excellent points that NEED to be made and that you are the person who can bring all the threads together, but just need a bit of a tweak to your style and your ego about progressives so you actually decide to post to a big time forum like DKos.

 In an ideal world (which DKos isn;t but sometimes can be) a variation of this exact diary would be on their rec list.

 As for Nunes, in light of the HUGE amount of eyewitness testimony from architects, guards, AND victims, plus modern forensics, his "Gas Chamber Denial" seems naive and kind of gullible. He doesn't even seem to realize when he quotes neo-Nazi propoganda, and in response claims that propoganda (sometimes posted on Stormfront) is really Isralei propoganda, which implies he is thus citing Israeli propoganda. Which would Vince Nunes fear more: quoting Nazi propoganda or Israeli propoganda. From what I can tell he is doing one or the other, one according to his own viewpoint.

Nunes needs to grow a sense of actual analytical rigor where he can start telling some random shit said by some random person on the internet from actual scientific skepticism.

And to Nunes: your nearly insane rants in response to ANY criticism does not do you any favors, as Gate documents above. If you feel you have an analytical response, STATE IT ANALYTICALLY. Not in some weird, violent rant like you usually do. If you really think you have the scientific evidence behind you, you don't need to make the kind of threatening, seemingly deranged statements you usually make when confronted with disagreement. Ask Gate or Rock how I deal with disagreement. I (I think) can take it civilly, if sometimes snarkily, without resorting to insane and barely articulate rants like you sometimes do.

Just saying...


Submitted by Anon (not verified) on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 1:09am.
So how much is Storobin paying you to repeat every day the same thing that his campaign is using to destroy Fidler. For somebody who claims to be a Fidler supporter who hates Storobin, you seem to be dead-set on helping the Republican by repeating the same thing word for word until he can finally uses it to beat up on Fidler. You do realize that you have done more damage to Fidler than anyone else, don't you?
Submitted by Agree with Anon (not verified) on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:00am.
Gate, I agree with Anon in part.  Dedicated blogs to Storobin's previous writings will hurt Fidler. 
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Submitted by Gatemouth on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:18am.
Feel free to send me an edit and tell me what I need to do. Or feel free to post it as part of one of your blogs (just clear any edits with me first) 

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Submitted by Gatemouth on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:18am.

Nothing said here is not in accordance with the facts. Storobin said everything here that he is excused of having said, and nothing here distorts his views. Everything said here merely claifies Storobin's  beliefs.

If my party ran a person holding such views, and havng such a record, as their candidate, I would feel duty bound to publlicly repudiate him in order to cleanse myself of his stench.

The fact that you can only think about this tactically in Dem v GOP terms is shocking. Could you honestly attach your name to such a man? (Apparently not).

Have you, at long last sir, no sense of decency? Or, are you too someone who joyfully denies genocide and facilitates the denial of genocide?

This article is not a tactic of the Fidler campaign, or even an effort on their behalf. It is merely an honest attempt to take a current article by a recognized scholar and apply it to our current political situation.

The GOP leadership is perhaps not blameworthy for not knowing about any of this, but they are blameworthy for trying to whitewash the fact that their candidate is beneath the contempt of a decent people.

 



Submitted by Agree with Anon (not verified) on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:35am.

I said "in part".  Meaning that it should be talked about, but not at length.

Mentioned briefly in every blog even, but not as you say "Megillas"


Submitted by Agree with Anon (not verified) on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:35am.

I said "in part".  Meaning that it should be talked about, but not at length.

Mentioned briefly in every blog even, but not as you say "Megillas"


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Submitted by Gatemouth on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:43am.

I really don't intend on mentioning it everyday.

I really had only one more piece Storobin's wrtings I wanted to post, but the I read Goldhagen's article, and it is so special, and so apt, I thought it deserved to be aired, and discussed.

The point here is so much larger than who holds a State Senate seat for a few months. It is truly about good and evil, which is so rare in a business which mostly concerns itself with discerning or ignoring the subtle distinction between various shades of grey.  



Submitted by Robert H. Jackson (not verified) on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 11:45am.

What is years full of "Megillas" compared to not allowing someone to glibly and unceremoniously sweep a few genocides under a few  internet rugs?

If genocide denial can't be part of an historical and political discussion in the most Jewish parts of Brooklyn, such as Brighton Beach, where can genocide denial be discussed politically: Bremerton, WA; Bridgeport, CT; Brattleboro, VT; Brisbane, Australia? 

Charges like these are very serious; and they cannot be as glibly pursued as they have been glibly dismissed -- by some.


Submitted by harriet (not verified) on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 2:15pm.

@ Anon "Dedicated blogs to Storobin's previous writings will hurt Fidler."

So what? The point is that odius words need to be exposed. I will not tolerate silence as a means to elect a candida, especially with a candidate like Fidler. He is likely to win, so there is no need to hide discussions of Storobin.

And really? If there was ever a place to discuss the genocide-denying tendencies of a candidate, it is right here.


Submitted by Backgrounder (not verified) on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:00am.

Anyone actually following the Fidler-Storobin Campaign will see that it is candidate David Storobin in his speeches, who keeps bringing up the issue of charges that he has Neo-Nazi or skinhead links, ties or connections. He did it again as recently as this weekend, as was reported yesterday in  politckerny "Storobin: NYT Claim That He’s ‘Overhwhelming Favorite’ to Lose Is ‘Lazy Journalism’" by Colin Campbell 2/13 5:26pm.  That article suggests that Storobin intended to do more of the same yesterday.

Mr. Storobin has never actually rebutted any of the actual charges made against him by Lew Fidler or others. Instead Storobin has repeatedly set up the straw man that he has been called a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi. And then rather than rebut what actually was said concerning his internet postings, Storobin over and over expresses outrage over all of it because of his Jewish and Russian background. He has even enlisted others including his Rabbi to join in this outrage. Do any of those people who spoke up in defense of Storobin actually know what Storobin has written and posted, and whether and to what extent he has had contacts with various right wing extremists or extremist groups?

Everybody looking at this issue in the context of the Storobin-Fidler election should be informed and take note of the following wider context:

– Being Jewish or living a Jewish life does not preclude the possibility of also having Neo-Nazi or skinhead ties, or even being a Neo-Nazi. In this regard the story of Pawel [Bromson] Pincus, a Polish "Secret Jew", is illustrative. Pawel was a Polish skin-headed Neo-Nazi, who harassed and baited Jews until he found out that he was Jewish. http://www..smh.com.au/tv/show/worlds-untold-stories/secret-jew ; www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/world/europe/28poland.html [and several other text and video links]

Of course, nearer to home many years ago, there was the case of Daniel Burros who went from being an Orthodox Jewish student to being a virulent anti-semitic member of the KKK. [ See: Henry Bean, The Believer: Confronting Jewish Self-Hatred. New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 2002. ISBN 1-56025-372-X. ] That story was fictionalized by Henry Bean and made into the movie, "The Believer," where the character was portrayed as a skin-headed Neo-Nazi.

Also, not very long ago, a Neo-Nazi group was also discovered in Israel. It was made up of young Russian and Ukranian Jewish immigrants, whose gripe was the discrimination being suffered at the time by such immigrants in Israel. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezXm9jkukBo ; www.theaustralian.com.au/.../jewish-neo-nazi.../story-e6frg6tx- Sure enough at their trial on criminal charges, one of the defendants mentioned that he was related to holocaust victims. www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1861641,00.html  Not ones to miss out on the internet, the Israel-based Neo-Nazis had started their own website, and among other things, it advocated a killing alliance with Arabs. pogrom.org.il/eng_articles.php?art_id=7 [WARNING THIS IS A VERY ROUGH SITE IN ITS OWN RIGHT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS NOTHING MORE RECENT THAN 2007 THAT APPEARS THERE]


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Submitted by Gatemouth on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 6:43am.
Storobin is certainly wallowing in this issue, taking umbrage about things which were never said or done, but you go a bridge too far in implying the possibility he could have connections to such groups. I don't think Storobin hates Jews (except possibly Jewish "liberals")--though it is entirely possible he may hate others.

Submitted by Backgrounder (not verified) on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:15pm.

Everything not in the State Senate portion of the "Backgrounder" post above was strictly intended for background on the historical fact that extremists like Neo-Nazis, etc., pop up in in varied and unexpected communities and have varied and unexpected backgrounds.

No connection to anybody involved in politics in Brooklyn was implied or intended. Neither did I state that there was any similarity nor did I make any analogy or parallel between any locally active  person to any of the other characters mentioned with the specific links above.

AND I DIDN'T INVITE ANYBODY ELSE TO DO SO....

AS FAR AS "[THE] BRIDGE TO FAR" THAT YOU MENTIONED... RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE....

BACKGROUND IS BACKGROUND....


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Submitted by Gatemouth on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 8:52pm.
..and I will never forgive you for making me defend the honor of someone who has none

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