What Did You Do in the War, Daddy? (Corrected and Revised)
"[Congressional candidate Steve] Harrison also questions [City Councilman Michael] McMahon's position on the Iraq war: Was McMahon for it before he was against it? —Staten Island Advance- June 15, 2008
Of course, only one of them does. The piece has been throughly revised to correct any inaccuracies you've raised.
You're at it again Gatemouth. When you started this on The Daily Gotham even Senator Savino stated that the past is the past and what matters is now and you should stop it. I guess your friend Vito Lopez outweighed Diane Savino. Additionally, you have yet to prove what you state is true even on TDG. Thank you Mr. Kassar for your post.
In certain precincts of the left, citing the name of Mr. Lopez, a man who, whatever his falings, is probably is personally reponsible for the elevation to the bench of more members of the National Lawyers Guild than any other person in New York State, is considered sufficient refutation for any argument. I guess they embrace the Reaganite argument that "Facts are Foolish things". Rosalie's grasp on facts, and perhaps reality itself, is tenuous at best. The last time we argued she seemed to be putting forth the proposition that palm cards were not invented until the year 2004. Sometime prior to that she argued that Dominic Recchia and Vito Lopez were responsible for Mr. Harrison's loss last time, because they didn't manage to get him Harrison the 80% of the Brooklyn vote Harrison would have needed to win. I've heard of drinking someone's Kool-Aid, Rosie, but can we at least wait until they've added the water? Rosalie-- I will make you a deal. If and when Steve Harrison issues a statement saying that how Mr. McMahon voted in 2003 does not matter, I will remove this colum from the Room 8 archives. Prediction. It will still be here come primary day, because Mr. Harrison will keep on using the 2003 vote in his campaign. As to your demand for proof, I really cannot provide it. This is because I've searched the internet trying to find a pre-2006 statement by Mr. Harrison opposing the war, and it does not exist. But, how am I supposed to prove the non-existence of this political bandersnatch? If you'd like to refute me, I suggest you go down to the Home Reporter and go through the four years of back issues of the period in question. Surely, if a pre-2006 statement against the war by Mr. Harrison really does exist, you'll find at least one in those 200 plus weeks of newsprint. Provide me with proof it exists, and I'll write a retraction. So, Rosie, are you up to the Gatemouth challenge. Or is this the last we hear from you on this matter? And, just to set the record straight. I did not start this on "The Daily Gotham". Michael Bouldin wrote the piece saying that what happened in 2003 mattered. If you got a problem with that, I suggest you go complain to Mr. Bouldin. If you find his piece so offensive, ask him to remove it. It can be done. I know this because anytime the last time I posted a piece about Mr. Harrison on the Daily Gotham, Mr. Bouldin removed it. 1. Do you include homophobic bigot Noah Dear in your list of those elevated from the N.L.G. by Lopez? 2. What I said was that I never saw palm cards in my district. I also stated that had Lopez supported Steve in 2006 Steve could have won. Tell me, why didn't your friend Vito hold a fundraiser or donate to the Campaign. Also, it was ME who took Steve around Gravesend, not Recchia despite his being asked. As for water in the Kool Aid, what are you drinking? 3. I don't make deals on behalf of others. 4. You can't provide proof but you make statements without any backup. Put up or shut up. 5. Unlike you I have a life. If you want someone to spend time going through the Home Reporter then do it yourself. 6. Michael removed your last piece because it was total b.s. At least when Michael posts anything it's truthful. You should take a lesson from him. Get over it Gatemouth.
1) I never saw you post a piece against Dear during that race-- I posted several. Mr. Lopez's actions during that race do not inure to his credit. When his candidate against Dear dropped out for personal reasons, he put his finger in the air, saw which way the wind was blowing, and endorsed Dear without offering him much in the way of substantive help, so he could use Dear's name in those places where it was useful (this is somewhat reminiscent of his actions in this Congressional race). But he did not elect Dear. That being said, those judges personally chosen by Mr. Lopez over the years (as opposed to the choices made by the County organization under his leadership) are almost all activist oriented legal services-type lawyers: Gus Reichbach, Jack Battaglia, Wayne Siatta, Richie Rivera (RIP), even Margarita Lopez-Torres. None would be on the bench today if not for Lopez. His record in his personal choices, may or may not be an anomaly, but it is a fact which makes the point I was trying to make, which is, that merely dropping the name Lopez is not a substitute for saying evil right winger. His record in Albany is far more liberal than that of you Assemblymember. So, Rosalie, instead of using "Gatemouth is a Vito puppet" as a substitute for engaging my arguments, why not just show me one--just one--statement or action Mr. Harrison took against the war in the years before he decided to run for Congress? 2) Your point about palm cards is still nuts. And your point of how Harrison would have gotten to 43% to 51% if Lopez helped him more is a virtual mathematical imposssibility. Harrison would have had to take about 80% of the Brooklyn vote for that to have happened. You can flatulate and fulminate all you want; you can lie all you want, but the numbers don't lie. 3) Harrison will never foreswear using the 2003 vote (just like he will not rise to my last challenge and say he opposes a constitutional amendment to ban flagburning). So, if Harrison won't stop doing it, why is it illegitmate for me to call him on it? Diane Savino is not my mommy or my wife. 4) I could link the several hundred entries in google from 2002-2005 where Harrison does not make any statements concerning the war, but I cannot line the one where he does--because it does not exist. That, my dear, is putting up or shutting up. If proof exists, Harrison could easily access it. It is you dear, or your candidate, who needs to put up or shut up. 5) Rosie, with all of Harrison's hundreds of dedicated volunteers I keep hearing about, surely one has the time to do the research and produce proof of a statement showing that Harrison's anti-war position pre-dates his congressional candidacy. It does not have to be the Home Reporter. I merely suggested that as the most likley repository for such docmentation. I will not be going there, however, for the same reason no one form the Harrison campaign will. The expedition would be a snark hunt, for no such documentation exists. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! PROVE IT DOES! YOU CAN'T! HAHAHAHA! 6) To Mr. Bouldin's credit, he did not remove my more imflamtory pieces about Harrison, but he did remove this one. http://www.r8ny.com/blog/gatemouth/riders_of_the_lost_cause_starring_harrison_fraud.html Please read it, because I know you never have. Yes, you did comment in the thread, but you never engaged the argument, which is that, the numbers don't lie, and the numbers show, contrary to Harrison's arguments, that Harrison would be a very weak candidate for the Democrats. That's where you make your extremely stupid comment about how Harrison would have won if Vito had helped him, an argument which is refuted by the math. Numbers don't lie--Rosie does. BTW, I no longer believe the argument i made in that piece is so important. Given the current Republicans disaray, it appears that a well-groomed chimpanzee running on the Democratic line could get 55% with little effort. Therefore, Harrison should be able to manage 51%.
...sif I see myself quoted one more time in any relation to your various dishonest and discredited vendettas, I'm going to get very angry indeed. And that's all I need to say, I'd hope. Very nice style and design and wonderful subject matter, nothing at all else we want :D.
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Gatemouth:
Mike McMahon's comments were at an Executive Committee interview conducted by the Kings County Conservative Party held several weeks ago for the Congressional seat. The meeting was attended by approxiamtely nineteen leaders.
Regardless of where Coucilman McMahon stands today, he led the committee to beleive that he supported continued US actions in Iraq.
Jerry Kassar