The previous commenters are missing the big news in this post....Mole has posted a quote from the likes of ME in support of his position. Now folks, that is a major Kumbaya moment!

Thank you Mole!

BTW, on a very serious note, saying that Mark Green is appealing only to yesterday's generation is an unfair cheap shot...as unfair as deBlasio saying that we should only look at someone's record over the past 8 years. Mark Green has a life long record of hard nosed advocacy for the people who need it the most. Never afraid to to work for an unpopular cause if he feels it is just.

And reemember, this is the man who wrote a book being used in the Obama White House for ideas for America's future...so he is hardly old news.

Also, on the subject of laugh out loud funny: deBlasio on NY1 last night saying that Mark is notorious for going negative. Am I the only New Yorker who got three separate mailings form deBlasio attacking Mark Green? I got NO mailings from Green knocking anyione. And I think it was in the FIRST PA debate when deBlasio opened up by taking a question on a totally different subject and attacking Green's brother.

Kinda hypocritical of Mr. DeBlasio, doncha think? Not the first flip flop of his career either....did anyone here hear the one about Bill and term limits?????

Lew from Brooklyn

You know I like you despite our differences. I do think the observation of appealing to a past generation, though perhaps a cheap shot, is also a warning to Green's campaign. If they can't appeal to the younger crowd, his chances are lower...though we all should keep in mind that older generations are more reliable voters. I don't know if the observation regarding the endorsements is a fair measure of appeal to younger voters, but it would be worth Green's attention to notice this possible issue.

Then again, Green could use some of his Air America connections to reach younger voters?

 As to de Blasio going negative, yeah, I found his mailings pretty negative. Though let's also admit Green can be abrasive as well. But de Blasio has no high ground these days.

Let me give you an example. When I got fed up and and ran my protest campaign in 2004, I was trying to call attention to the deals and non-decisions that would diminish our future today, and in 2020. While handing out leaflets in the subway, a main of Mark Green's generation asked who I would vote for for President. I said I would never vote for Bush on generational equity grounds (given the debts, etc), but had not decided whether I would vote for Kerry.

A woman the same age was passing. And suddenly the two started screaming at each other about Vietnam, and I and everything I was trying to point out, as far as they were concerned, disappeared. Warmonger! Traitor!

But yeah I got DeBlasio's slimeball, and threw it on the pile with the rest of the political trash.

You and I are generally on very different pages and I often have strong disagreements with your views. But this time I see what you are saying and think Green's campaign needs to consider it. Oddly, though I am more de Blasio's generation, I think I find myself closer to either Green's generation OR the generation after de Blasio's. There has always been something particularly self-centered and greedy about de Blasio's generation compared with previous generations (and maybe later generations??) and de Blasio is typical of that self-centered greed that I found so objectionable as I grew to political maturity within the same generation, more or less. Yassky  is another example of this. The amorality of the de Blasio's and Yassky's doesn't do it for me compared with the solidity of (to pick a clearer example than Green) Norm Siegel. Now how far that generational difference goes, and whether the current political generation (which probably votes even less reliably than de Blasio's generation) is more like Green and Steinem's or more like de Blasio and Yassky's is not clear to me. But it may be real and your obeservation should not be ignored.

I actually agree with your comments reponding to my first post.

Though i would hope that RFK Jr appeals to younger voters.

I sense that for the Green campaign in this area, the problem is not the message, it is the medium.

As to getting together, it would be easier if I actually knew who you were. Don't know where you work but if you are a downtown Bklyn guy, maybe we could grab a Starbucks in the morning or an O'Keefe burger for lunch someday.

Lew from Brooklyn

I work in Manhattan (NYU Medical Center) so generally not available in Brooklyn on weekdays. That usually leaves weekend for socializing. But then it usually involves wife and son as well.

Perhaps the Gatemouth Family, Mole Family and Lew Families could grab a bite? Always mean ot get together with Gatemouth again (he even promised to introduce us to a Yemenite place better than Yemen Cafe) and my wife and I recently discovered a good Uygur restaurant in Brighton Beach.

...one de facto and one de jure..and DP has prohibited me from going to the Yemenite place ever since one of our red bean and bread breakfasts was ruined by their showing a pro-intafada propaganda film (althoguh that hasn't stopped me from going there on the sly). 

Brighton seems more Lew's speed. Not sure he's talking to me these days, but I bet my DeBlasio articles bring a smiile to his pretty face.

The "silent" generation that came of age in the 1950s, and the first half of the baby boom that came of age in the 1960s, were (for the majority) the best off in American history. The latter was the most out front idealistic, based on its loudest members, but it was also the most likely to vote Republican in 1994 (based on age group exit polls at the time). Policies enacted while these generations were in power have tended to take benefits in the present and sell out the future.

Hence by designation as Generation Greed a group some of whose members thought the were in Generation Idealism. The idealists might still have a chance to pull our fat out of the fire, but that's not the way things are going.

My generation is the back end of the baby boom, which entered the workforce after wages peaked in 1973, the payroll tax was raised and income taxes cut in the early 1980s, and the Social Security retirement age was raised. It's members have been worse off (on average) by every measure than those who came before, at every age, although they avoided Vietnam and convulsions of the 1960s, which is worth a lot.

I agree that most in my generation are cynical about institutions, apathetic, and absorbed by their own concerns. Some work the system, some just assumed they will be ripped off by it and worry about themselves. They'll find out how that will work out post institutional collapse. Generation Apathy.

Then you have the "slackers" of Gen X, who graduated into a better economy but have otherwise been no better off or worse off than my generation. And, of course, they were children after for more than half of them the American family fell apart.

Ah well, I guess we can hope for a rebuilding by Gen Y after existing institutions collapse. Is it my perspective as a stagflation baby that makes me say so, or the data? All I can say to them is never trust anyone who was more than five years old when someone said never trust anyone over 30.

Someone needs to take the generational equity issue seriously. Why doesn't someone say it was unjust for NYC teachers to get a deal for a pension at 55 instead of 62 when most have nothing but Social Security at age 67 or perhaps later? And that it is a further injustice for the cost of this to be shifted to future teachers in the form of lower wages and benefits. NO ONE dares to object.

Mole,

though my wife has a more than ordinary interest in politics, given what we would LIKELY discuss at such atete a tete would you REALLY subject your pouse to such banality?

 Let's find a time and place. It should n't be tooo hard.

Lew

..not met the Moles.

I won't say Joy wallows in banality, but look who she married.

Joy is as much a political beast as I am, or almost anyway. In fact, most of my harshest comments about politicians are quotes from Joy. And even my son has more than a passing interest in politics. He likes John Liu, Gifford Miller made him cry and he yelled "Cat Nuts" (his way of saying Cashew nuts at the time) at Mark Green. He also did about as much to get Devin Cohen elected as anyone else.

My time really is either at work or with family, so social and political events usually are family affairs. However, I could try to get special dispensation for an evening out one of these days.

de Balsio has the high ground.

In fact, term limits, as orignially constructed, would force openings for younger generations to enter public office. Fossilized remnants don't always know when to step down.

.., don't forget me, the third shill.

And 12:49, remember, Bill D was against term limits before he was for them

Ummmm...so you are attacking me as a Jew? Of course whatever your anti-Semitic, pro-de Blasio rants may say, it is Bill de Blasio who is embroiled in several scandals, including several Slush Fund scandals and the WFP scandal where de Blasio seems to have violated campaign finance laws.

But you choose to highlight the fact I am a Jew? Wow. Room 8 seems to be attracting a particularly nasty bunch of pests these days. Do you have any connection with THESE Dickheads? Does the de Blasio campaign know you are using anti-Semitism in your advocacy of his campaign? I bet he wouldn't like it.

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