Just Say No to Sen. Clinton's Debt Relief [Updated]

As a former supporter of Sen. Clinton's, I have to say that the fact that she continued to campaign after running out of money, including the $11 Million Dollars she lent her campaign, to the tune of another $19 Million dollars disgusts me.

Like it or not, money makes politics go. If you can't raise enough money to keep going, or don't have a personal fortune to spend, then you should not be able to keep running.

She had the nerve to stay in this thing for months after it was statistically highly unlikely that she could win. How does she justify continue putting her campaign millions and millions of additional dollars in debt to keep running a campaign that all but her most die-hard supporters knew was essentially over?

I, for one, have no desire to give her campaign a PENNY for debt relief. Even if she stated that she would only pay herself back after every debt is paid, it is completely unacceptable that she continued running up her debts while arguing she was still viable.

Her inabilty to raise enough money to keep going without incurring an outrageous amount of debt should have been proof enough that she was not viable.

Further, our money should be going to Sen. Obama, the DNC, Moveon.org and anyone else helping to make sure Sen. Obama wins and Sen. McCain loses. Any diversion of a single dollar to Sen. Clinton's debt relief is money poorly spent.

Sen. Clinton should pay everything she owes out of her own pocket and not even suggest that Obama or any Democrats help her pay it off.

Update 5 minutes later:

Who are her creditors that kept giving her services without being paid, when her anemic fundraising and high debt was already known? I don't mean the local print shops and caterers, but the people producing commercials and airing them or providing other high-cost services. These are sophisticated business people who, what, just assumed someone would kick in the money to pay them down the road? I have to say that any creditor owed more than $10,000 who extended this campaign credit since her second announcement of a loan from herself to her campaign doesn't deserve to get paid, because they never should have provided an indebted campaign these services. This is starting to feel like the mortgage crisis. You feel bad for the little people who default on their loans, but there's no sympathy for the mortgage companies that never should have given them loans in the first place.



Submitted by FB (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 5:50pm.
I was a Hillary supporter and switched to Obama after his speech on race. I have given his campaign money and purposely CHOSE not to donate to Clinton! I'd be really upset if the money I sent to Obama went to Clinton, and I would no longer contribute financially.
Submitted by MadasHelinVA (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 6:11pm.

As an Obama supporter, I certainly feel that my "hard earned" money went to specifically help him win over HRC and I would be LIVID if even one cent of it went to help her pay her debts.  She knew exactly when and what she was doing and saying in her failing campaign so to turn around now and ask for help is beyond the pale.  Actually for those HRC "groupies" who say they are Democrats but vow they will NEVER vote Obama, I suggest that since HRC instilled and enabled their hateful feelings toward Obama, these "groupies" should now be required to pay her debt!  It appears they were ONLY Dems if their candidate won, and since I believe she "poisoned" their minds with such 'racist, bigoted thoughts and lies' against Obama that they now prefer to vote "GOP McSame"!  As retribution, they should be mandated to pay her tab!


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 7:17pm.

I totally agree, but I think you mean anemic, not amenic.


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Submitted by Rock Hackshaw on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 7:24pm.
They knew it was a futile effort since March but they kept going and kept spending; it's their money to pay.

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Submitted by Politiko on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 8:04pm.

It's not about Sen. Obama's campaign paying it, it's about any money at all that would go to Obama or the DNC, etc. going to her debt instead. There should be a law against continuing to campaign and run up debt in campaigns when you aren't raising anywhere near what you are "spending" or whatever it is you call it when you campaign via credit card. There should be a max amount of credit or something.

I feel slightly bad for the local print shops and caterers, etc., who won't get paid (although they must have known there was a risk they wouldn't get paid), but I bet Mark Penn will, which makes me sick to my stomach. Again I supported her but $30 Million in plastic, and we were supposed to trust her judgment? I am so disillusioned.

I say not one slim dime!



Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 8:13pm.
Your Obama donations can't go to retire Hillary's debt. It's illegal and it won't happen. The most Obama can do is attempt to rally *his* supporters to help her retire her debt. Good luck with that.
Submitted by Erik (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 8:39pm.

Just wanted to give Obama supporters a quick heads-up.  Federal election law prohibits Obama from giving part of his war chest to Clinton to cover her debts.  He would have to send a specific fundraising email to give her money. 

I felt better after finding this out, as I am a donor. 


Submitted by Nick (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 9:46pm.

They don't owe any money. We don't pay they say. We expect others to pay as they always have in the past. Get off our backs!

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Submitted by Chima (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 10:37pm.
So Hillary's supporters like James Carville claimed they had the money to pay for a revote in Michigan and Florida, to the tune of $30 million....so why don't they use that money to pay off Hillary's debts?
Submitted by Mary (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 11:13pm.

At one time I supported Clinton.  Since January I have been a diehard Obama supporter.  I made a real sacrifice to send monthly payments to Obama's campaign and will continue to do so.  I would be upset if Obama took time, energy, and his name to help raise one dime for Clinton.  In fact, to be honest, I will stop giving to the campaign. Let the Clintons take the money from the millions that they have made.  We need every dime and the time it takes to get it to fight McCain.  We would not have needed as much had Clinton not been so nice to McCain at the expense of Obama.  Since she handed McCain material that he will continue to use in the general election against Obama, let McCain help her retire the debt. 


Submitted by Mary (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 11:20pm.
At one time I supported Clinton.  Since January I have been a diehard Obama supporter.  I made a real sacrifice to send monthly payments to Obama's campaign and will continue to do so.  I would be upset if Obama took time, energy, and his name to help raise one dime for Clinton.  In fact, to be honest, I will stop giving to the campaign. Let the Clintons take the money from the millions that they have made.  We need every dime and the time it takes to get it to fight McCain.  We would not have needed as much had Clinton not been so nice to McCain at the expense of Obama.  Since she handed McCain material that he will continue to use in the general election against Obama, let McCain help her retire the debt. 
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 11:37pm.
Totally agree!   The Clintons are worth over $150 Million!  Mitt Romney had to pay over $40 million in debt for his campaign.  The Clintons should flip the bill themselves if they are such great public servants!
Submitted by debi (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 3:42am.
As you make your bed, so you lie on it. The Clintons can easily pay off their debt from the £130m they've made since they left office. Why should Obama be the one to bear the burden? I understand the bulk of the debt is money owed Mark Penn. i see no reason why he should get paid because he messed up big time. He was a terrible strategist as Clinton was a terrible candidate. He should suffer for his incompetence as Clinton is suffering for her bad judgement.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 6:52am.
I hope Hillary Clinton has to auction off her mustache on Ebay.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 7:43am.

The thing that killed me was that Clinton had the sheer nerve to run out of money, keep on with her ego-serving campaign and then..... take an 11-year-old kid's bike money!  And talk about it in her speeches!  Unbelievable. She even brought it up in her horrible speech on Tuesday night.  


Submitted by Grainne (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 7:47am.
Obama can't and won't use his own campaign funds to pay off Clinton's debt; thatr is against FEC rules, so no worries about our contributions going in that direction.  He might help her hold special fundraisers and we would be alerted which fundraisers are for her and which for him.  Debt retirement is an old tradition in politics and a way to help bring the party back together.  This primary season and Clinton's debt are quite unprecedented, though and might need to be handled differently.  I trust Obama will find a fair solution that will not anger any of his supporters yet bring some unity to the party at the same time.  I totally agree that Clinton should not have continued campaigning basically on empty (make that negative empty), but we have to come to terms with the fact that she did and that we need to bring her and her supporters back into the fold as best we can.  I don't plan to give her a cent, though.  It is hard enough for me to scrape to make contributions to Obama.
Submitted by T Pina (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 8:11am.
I agree will all who say to Obama's campaign.  Do not pay Hillary's debt.
Submitted by Cari (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 8:29am.

Although a lot of news stories make it seem as if Obama will directly pay her debts, in reality the only thing he can do is HELP HER FUNDRAISE to pay her debts. Any money donated to him already is safe and cannot be redirected to her.


Submitted by Romney paid for his own campaign - why not Hillary (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 8:50am.

 I totally agree with this blog post.  To book arenas, ask vendors and printers and television stations to provide you goods and services when you have no means and no intentions of paying them is such a crock.  I understand that despite her claims for wanting health insurance for all - that she owes $2 million to the insurance company which covered her staffers.

The Clintons have a lot more money than those supporters on her blog - it's so sad to read that blog and see how these people are still making donations to her cause and promising to go to Denver to fight for her.  In fact, it's really interesting how her blog seems toss off any comments which suggest she be open to VP - and contains almost nothing but "I'll never vote for Obama posts". 

Mitt Romney paid for $35 million of his own campaign expenses, Corzine paid millions, there are a lot of multi-millionaires who paid for their own campaigns.  They were businessmen whose sense of personal responsibility meant that meant that they didn't take what they didn't have the means to pay for.  What's so sick about the Clintons is that they never intend to pay for their own bills - but always assume someone else will pick up the tab.  As for this talk of "it's done a lot" - it's never been done on this scale!  The most I've seen mentioned as debt being paid off by another campaign was $861,000.

I would suggest that all those special interests and lobbies that the DNC aren't taking donations from and the defense contractors - be the ones to step up for Hillary's campaign.   Bill raised over $30 billion which was put in the Global Initiative fund - some were legit donations and some was through business deals - like $15 million from Khazastan.

 Mitt Romney ran a very good ad - she's never run a government, she's never run a large corporation, she's never even run a corner store - how would she run the country?  Well, now we know.  It would be fiscal irresponsibility, all daily drama and the blame game, alienating those she needs to work with, tall tales to American people made directly by her, constant bald-faced lies by surrogates like Lanny Davis, Wolfson, nasty comments for any Congressman she labels an enemy by people like Ickes and Carville, backroom deals by Bill with Columbia, China, and other countries.

 She knows that sucking $20 million from people who've support the DNC is $20 million less for putting Barack Obama in the White House.  And that's what they want.


Submitted by paolo (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 9:01am.

The point is: any money by whoever who, that will be donated to Clinton -her depts- is kept/taken away from more important and legal targets, such as Obama campaign and the DNC!

Clintons dept: Clinton Library / Foundation has 500 ! million in the pocket (donors!), the Clintons private have at least 150 (!) million in the pocket...
Her campaign depts were made at a time she already knew she couln't win...
I think the Clintons themselves can easily pay all campaign depts: they have to!


Submitted by paolo (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 9:06am.
Agree! But she pay the dept herself very easy. 150 (!) million private in the pocket. I think she even can't return as junior senator to the senate if the dept is not payed totally!
Submitted by paolo (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 9:19am.
Of course Penn will never be paid! This is only parked in the campaign depts to raise more money. Believe me!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 1:36pm.

In an interview with Brian Williams for MSNBC on Wednesday after he won the primary election he said that he has no plans to help her raise money to pay off her debt.

He is aware of the media gossip and reports, which were started by Tim Russert of MSNBC in his primary election commentary.

He said in the interview that Clinton has not spoken to him about raising money to pay off her debt and as far as he is concerned she is capable of sorting out her own finances.

The question here as stated above is whether people choose to give money to pay off her debt independently rather than giving to Obama or the DNC.

Her website is still up. Yesterday she was still sending out emails with a link going to an online donations sections of her site. So essentially she is still competing with Obama and the DNC for money.

Now that she has suspended her campaign l dont know whether she would be able to claim any money back. Maybe who knows, but that is her business.

She claims to be good at economics and is good at fiscal responsibility so she should prove it. Manage her budget and work her way out of debt without depriving the Obama campaign or the DNC of the money they vitally need to win in November.

Here is the interview where she talks about paying off her debts

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25011968#24974708

 


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 3:18pm.
She made her bed, let her lay in it. Suck it up hillary! go write a book or something maybe it'll erase some of you deficits.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 3:18pm.
She made her bed, let her lay in it. Suck it up hillary! go write a book or something maybe it'll erase some of you deficits.
Submitted by Tim O' (not verified) on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 7:39pm.
Hey, I just bought an expensive car that I knew I couldn't afford.  I'm setting up a web site to accept contributions for being stupid.  I'll get the info out to you soon.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 4:06pm.
THANK GOD SHE CANNOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!! WITH THE WAY SHE RUN HER CAMPAIGN, IT IS ONLY AN INSIGHT OF WHAT AMERICA WOULD BE LIKE IF SHE RUN IT. IT IS BAD ENOUGH WITH THE WAY IT IS FROM BUSH.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 4:06pm.
THANK GOD SHE CANNOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!! WITH THE WAY SHE RUN HER CAMPAIGN, IT IS ONLY AN INSIGHT OF WHAT AMERICA WOULD BE LIKE IF SHE RUN IT. IT IS BAD ENOUGH WITH THE WAY IT IS FROM BUSH.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 4:06pm.
THANK GOD SHE CANNOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!! WITH THE WAY SHE RUN HER CAMPAIGN, IT IS ONLY AN INSIGHT OF WHAT AMERICA WOULD BE LIKE IF SHE RUN IT. IT IS BAD ENOUGH WITH THE WAY IT IS FROM BUSH.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 5:39pm.
whew....... such vitriol.  All of you are saying there will be less $$ for the DNC.  That's going on the assumption that there is a finite amt. of $$ around.  Not at all.  The big kids know that theres alot more around to be tapped. 
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Submitted by Politiko on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 6:27pm.
Yeah, there's lots of money to go around. And if people want to give money to retire Sen. Clinton's debt, who wouldn't otherwise give the money to Obama, the DNC, Moveon.org or whatever, then that's fine. My point is that Obama, et al., will need every penny they can get to withstand and defeat the GOP Attack Machine and not one red cent should be diverted from that fight to help her with this debt that should not exist.

Submitted by Chris Owens (not verified) on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 5:54am.

Hi!

1. As previously mentioned, Obama funds cannot be used to bail out Clinton.

2. Clinton creditors will need to be paid at some point or there will be many "illegal" in-kind contributions on the books.

3. There is nothing wrong with Obama assisting Clinton with fundraising ... AFTER he has won the General Election in November!


Submitted by Call me Sweety (not verified) on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 8:15am.
I fully agree with you that her buddies in crime should pay off her enormous debt.  They encouraged her to "keep up the good fight" or whatever that was.  Carville, Rendell and Corzine(Carzine) whoever he is need to chip in those millions of dollars that they were willing to spend for re-votes in Michigan and Florida.  Put up or shut up boys!  I'm glad that my donations can't be used to pay off her debt.  The three mentioned above and all of Hill/Bill's supporters need to pony up and open their checkbooks to clear up her debt.
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Submitted by Politiko on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 10:14am.

I have no problem with post-election help, again with the proviso that any such money would not have been used for the general.

As to Mr. Carvill, and Govs. Rendell and Corzine et al. helping, that's not how it works. They've already given her all they can. Contributions to pay off her debt have follow the same rules as if she was collecting contributions as she was running, i.e., they are still subject to the $2,300 per person maximum contribution. That's why this is such a serious issue.

Mrs. Clinton's fundraising troubles were, in large part, because she got her friends and friends' friends to give her the maximum donation early, but she then could not go back to the same people because they were done until the general election (she has something like $40 Million in her general election account that she can't use; those same people also maxed out for the general after they could no longer give in the primaries). Sen. Obama, on the other hand, got both large and many small donations and he could return to those small donors time and time again.

Thus, she needs new donors to retire her debt. The party and our nominee cannot afford having new donors, or those who did not max out to her in the primaries, giving her money, when that money could be used to help Sen. Obama win.

The only acceptable solution is for her to wait until after the election to get donations. As Mr. Owens pointed out she can't even get write-offs, otherwise those would be illegal in-kind donations exceeding the maximum contribution. This mess makes me angrier all the time, because a lot of those local businesses really deserve to get paid now, and the only way they can be, without hurting the party and our nominee, is for Sen. Clinton to use her own funds to pay them, because (correct me if I'm wrong) I think candidates don't have a cap for using their own money.

Depending on what happens with this, I might start a website on this topic, Sen. Clinton created this mess by not stopping when she ran out of money, our nominee should now be hurt because of her stubborness, and ability to continue running up her campaign "credit card."



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