Happy Second Birthday Room Eight

Room Eight unceremoniously celebrated its second birthday last week. Recently I asked the editors (Gur Tsabar and Ben Smith) to tell me what their vision was for this site; I am still waiting for that conversation to begin. Look, don’t get me wrong here, both of these individuals have been people I admire and respect; I still do. They are both pioneers. The idea of a political-blog writer’s colony that they implemented here two years ago is something many still praise. But there comes a time when we all have to introspect, and I believe the time is here for these two to reflect on where Room8 goes now.

We have failed to recruit, attract or hold on to high-quality writers, willing to supplement those already here. We have failed to outline for our writers exactly what our objectives are. Some of us who write here diligently struggle to keep NYC bloggers politically and socially informed; we try to analyze situations, issues, personalities and events, in order to educate those who are interested in the politics of this state and beyond. Like everything else, the site has good and bad days. The biggest problems come with the comment section.

I have called for registration for those who comment. I have called for some type of system that will make commenters responsible for their words. I do not like anonymous comments. I have never condoned it or encouraged it. I think these anons are mostly troublemakers and player haters. Some are serious in their commentary but too many others are not. A few bad apples are spoiling the whole bale.

I think the time is now for R8 to take our level of discourse to a higher plain. If we force people to register before commenting here we will force them to be more responsible. It will end ad-hominem attacks. It will raise the quality of the discourse on the threads. We could have a tracking system that could flush out those who only come up here to cause trouble. I defended my writings for a long time until I recognized the troublemakers, and since then I have decided to pick and choose who I respond to; and when I respond to them. Granted that this isn’t always the best way to go, I chose this for myself given the unique situation I face here on Room Eight. Sometimes I punch back out of sheer anger and frustration; this hasn’t helped; in fact it has made the situation worse and made me look bad too. Lately I have started to wonder if there are not racial undertones to all these attacks on me; after all, I am the only black writing as often as I do on the NYC blogs. These attacks on me are three years old; Room Eight is only two years old. The attacks started on the “Politicker”, spilled over to the “N.Y. Daily News Blog” and have now ensconced themselves on this site (Room Eight). Some of the “culpricks” are the same; some culprits are new. Same difference; new days same shit; new columns, same crap: I have a bull’s eye on the back my columns. They become target practice for fools. It is so friggin silly it isn’t funny.

As much as I hate to close my comment section, I feel as though this is becoming the only option for me again beyond quitting. I have said many times that I will stop writing here on my terms, and not on others. I will be here until the presidential elections are over at least; and then I will decide if I continue or not. And I refuse to be forced out of something that I invested a lot of time, effort and energy in developing. I won’t be bullied. Already I send out many columns to an esoteric e-mail list of almost three hundred readers; most of them tell me that they hardly come on this site anymore, and mainly because of the drama in the threads of my columns. That’s unfortunate, since the site has so much more to offer. And so many links that are valid and worthy.

Some of my columns never make it to any of the blog sites that I write on, because I anticipate too much drama and controversy; and as such I usually limit them to this quiet group. Still, I feel handcuffed and I hate that feeling. I have introduced hundreds of people to the blogs (especially to five specific sites) and as such I do think that I have a responsibility to stay here on Room Eight, in my quest to help further inform people who are willing to play a part in the political process. We need to have more New Yorkers involved in politics; that’s why I pull so many students to this site (and others). I bring highschoolers and college/university students; I bring old-timers and youngsters too.

I think the editors should review their policy on anonymous commenters before we get to another birthday. In the meantime, I do wish all associated with this site a happy second birthday and good luck in the future. And that includes Wonk, JP, Wallner and Gatemouth (who is just a prankster at heart, but possessive of a mean streak). Finally; another thing is we should do is advertise this site in various mainstream mediums or vehicles; that way we can increase readership; especially when we highlight the success of our regular in-house writers.

Stay tuned-in.



Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 12:15pm.
Very classy of you Rock.  Good recommendations too. Happy Easter. 
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 12:17pm.
..and he can see our house from here.
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Submitted by Rock Hackshaw on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 12:45pm.
TYVM. And a HAPPY EASTER TO ALL.

Submitted by EnWhySeaWonk on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 12:58pm.

I'm fine with people having to register to comment, although as has been proven on other blogs, it will reduce even the serious bloggers from commenting. The Politicker went that route and abandoned it. Daily Politics currently requires logging in to comment and their comments have dropped. The most current post has 44 comments, but 25 of them are by the same person.

So, it's a trade off, but I log in to comment anyway, so I wouldn't be against it. Especially considering that lately I've been a big target of anonymous RockGrooupies baselessly calling me a racist, I'd lean towards supporting this.


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Submitted by Rock Hackshaw on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 1:09pm.
Good to see we can find some common ground Wonk. let's hope we can stay civil the rest of the way here. PEACE.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 7:15pm.
Rock and Wonk agree on making free speech more difficult.
Submitted by Ben Smith on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 8:57pm.
...that we need to do a better job of bringing in more voices, and I'm trying to get back to writing a bit more regularly here...but my concern is that a registration system pulls in the opposite direction...
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Submitted by Gatemouth on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 9:31pm.
The lunatics there have to register, and their uncivilized behavior makes Room 8 look like tea and crumpets with Emily Post.  

Submitted by EnWhySeaWonk on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 11:24am.

I never get credit for agreeing with you Rock. It happens.

Rock and Wonk agree on making free speech more difficult.

Are you saying registration stiffles free speech?

This is how it would work:

  • One would pick a username, any username, or even multiple usernames.
  • One would not have to give a real name but would have to provide an email address.
  • The email address can be an anonymous address from Yahoo! or Hotmail, without a real name attached.
  • The email address would not be published on the site and only available to the administrators/editors.

How does that prevent free speech? Anyone can write what they want, but it won't go under the name "anonymous."

I don't think making people very very mildly accountable for what they write is any infringment upon free speech.

If you mean the literal interpretation of "more difficult," if a 2 minute registration process and then a 1 minute login process in order to comment is too much to ask for people to become a part of this community and to contribute to it, then fine. Anyone too impatient or lazy to register and login should be excluded.

Are you still with me Rock?


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Submitted by Rock Hackshaw on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 1:50pm.
Wonk I wasn't the person who said that we were making freee speech more difficult. You have trhe wrong guy. If Ben and Gur ever agreed to a new policy, then and only then will I offer my ideas on this, beyond what I have proffered so far (and in the past).

Submitted by EnWhySeaWonk on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 2:50pm.
I didn't say you were! I was responding to the person who was and asking if you agreed with my thoughts on it not being an infringement violation of free speech.
Submitted by Larry Littlefield on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 6:04pm.
While I'm not getting paid, no one will pay you to simply state the facts. I think my opinions, ideas, and values are worthwhile. But more importantly, I can upload spreadsheets and describe where the data come from. Hopefully, people are using these.

My current job isn't changing the world, but I'm not required to lie there either. A rare privilege, and a good life.

Submitted by nymaverick on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 11:00pm.

Long-time listener, as they say. First-time caller.

I've been reading Room Eight for many months now. A little insider City Hall gossip -- and insight -- is helpful as I try to understand the convoluted world of New York politics. This is, for some strange reason, something I do by choice. I've finally become compelled to start writing out my opinions on the politics I see, and because of Room Eight's tradition, I have chosen to do it here, holding nothing back -- except, of course, my identity. My current situation makes it awkward to vocally express political opinion, but I am going incognito because I just can't keep my trap shut any longer.

Room 8, at least by my understanding, was founded with respect for anonymity in mind. I remember reading EnWhySeaWonk's "outing" with interest -- and sympathetic joy upon discovering that his self-identification came with a new job where he needed no longer work for people who sounded like close-minded assholes. He was someone who's been writing here for a long time, and his identity had oft been guessed at, but apparently never discovered.

I'm willing to give myself a moniker. I will, at hope, become known with that moniker as someone with a different perspective and at least a modicum of reason behind what I write. But since I'm leaning somewhat on the site's respect for anonymity to allow freedom of expression, I hope you will entertain a newcomer's perspective: let them be, the people who are not willing to even go this far.

You don't have to listen to them anyway. But you might want to.

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New-York Maverick


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 7:11pm.
GOOD LUCK NEW YORK MAVERICK.

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