Of Spitzer, Faso, Hevesi, Pirro, Gay Marriage, Gatemouth, Wonk and Cheap Shots.
Right here on Room Eight- over a month ago (9/28/06) - I proffered that John Faso was absolutely correct in calling for Alan Hevesi’s resignation as State Comptroller (see my column “Faso/Spitzer”). I also felt that up to that point in time Eliot Spitzer had downplayed the seriousness of Hevesi’s actions. I proffered that Hevesi had lost his credibility and had abused the public trust. I stated flatly that I couldn’t vote for him. I even went further to state that he was unfit to hold this office. I also said that Spitzer should be moving “to establish and uphold higher standards of ethics, decency and behavior” (observe that I never used the word ‘morality’ here) for public officials. That was over a month ago. Well Spitzer has finally moved. He has withdrawn his endorsement of Hevesi. The obvious question is: what took him so long? Well, anyway he did it (with all deliberate haste), but he did it nonetheless. That’s good. His timing pushed the envelope, but he made it under the wire. So today, I could do like one of the resident bloggers here (Gatemouth) and toot my horn, since suddenly near everyone has come around to my position. Gatemouth of course had stated that he wasn’t endorsing Hevesi; as if that would suffice, given the magnitude of Havesi’s transgressions. The big mouthed Gate himself, was willing to stand there looking at a gaping wound (bleeding profusely in fact), willing to only apply a band-aid to it. I am sure that a first grade student knows the difference between someone calling for another’s resignation, as compared to someone refusing to endorse another. What a joke! But then Gatemouth is usually an apologist for those in power anyway. We have seen this over and over and again right here on Room Eight. Last week the illustrious “Gatemouth” wrote a column entitled “An endorsement for Comptroller”, and before he had finished one paragraph he took some cheap shots at me. This is nothing new. You see, when I first started blogging seriously in New York City, I used my full name on “The Politicker”; almost immediately Gatemouth jumped on me as having committed candidate fraud in the past. He had recognized me from my having run for office in Brooklyn a few times. I was stunned at his accusation (a possible honest mix up), which he offered with arrogant certainty. Despite my protestations, despite my explanations, despite also a reporter from the Daily News (I think it was Bob Liff), coming in to clarify for him that he was wrong; Gatemouth has never apologized to this day. After this, he would constantly go after me in the comments section. He seemed to perpetually attack my friendship with Charles Barron- who he despises- no matter how many times I have shown that I am my own man, and nobody’s flunky. Then he went after my educational accomplishments; after that, my professional and political experience; then my community involvement; it was only after I defended myself on all of these that he started coming at my positions on some of the issues in vogue(which is fair game). Because of him and some of his groupies on the blogs, I found myself constantly on the defensive. For a while I honestly thought that it was a race thing, and that I was (to them) too opinionated and audacious for a black man. I have wondered why he and some of his sycophants keep taking these pot shots at me; and now I know. Firstly, I don’t see blogging as some kind of competitive sport. That’s absurd, really; but Gatemouth does. So when he says that I am obviously less driven than he, “by rigid standards of ideology (later/ morality)”, I am at a loss for words. I hardly ever interject the word “morality” into my arguments (although I do imply it a lot), since to a large extent I am close to the Marxian position, that in many situations “morality is historically contingent”. I have never equated “morality” with the few nuggets that I have exposed, in my position on gay-marriage. I definitely don’t compete with anyone, over the question of who is more ideologically or morally rigid. That is so childish. But so is Gate; childish and petty when he should be more mature and circumspect. I have really tried to be civil, gracious and friendly towards Gatemouth. Truly. I respect his writing abilities- even though at times he is somewhat confusing, long-winded ( but then so am I at times / I am sure), inane, redundant and pompous. I admire his knowledge of NYC’s political history-even though he sometimes gets his facts wrong (like we all do at times/ I am sure); and I definitely agree with some of his positions on some issues. But that’s neither here nor there; the fact remains that his cheap shots are just that: cheap. And Gatemouth is a cheap shot artist. I remember a couple years aback when he said that Maurice Gumbs was a nut; then a wacko; later still he said that Gumbs was a lunatic. I have lived to see him change his tune and acknowledge that Gumbs was a pioneer, and a needed voice in Brooklyn’s cesspool that we call politics. I thought there was hope for Gate. Really. I did. When Gatemouth and Wonk attack my endorsement of Jeanine Pirro, it’s not because they disagree that Cuomo is less qualified than Pirro for the job. In fact, they don’t even dispute that Pirro is overwhelmingly more qualified (and experienced) for the job. One of them even admitted this in a thread here. They are just angry at Pirro’s stance on gay-marriage (she is against it). And therein lies the crux of the matter. On these blogs in NYC, if you don’t support gay-marriage you are deemed politically incorrect; and as such you run into problems. It’s not about discourse; it’s about intimidation and constant harassment. That’s shameful. But then that’s no different from those who purport to be “pro-choice” (abortion). It’s as though one is not allowed an opposing view on certain issues. I am for “limited choices” (my term), and I couldn’t even begin to try to explicate my views on any of these blogs in NYC, without facing ridicule. So much for free speech; and that’s why I don’t go many places in these columns. My writings are limited, constricted and restricted. I detailed in my “Pirro” column, the reasons why I endorsed Jeanine. One of the main reasons was that I am tired of white-male domination in various aspects of politics. It’s time for power-sharing, inclusion and input in decision-making from non-whites and white females, on all levels of government and in all branches of government (see my column on the US Supreme Court). We have never had a female Attorney General. I feel it’s time to make history. Even with the recent disclosures about her “bugging” conspiracies (which were troubling I must admit), we have yet to uncover a law that she has broken (for certain). There is speculation on both sides of that. Then there is Andrew Cuomo himself. His very public handling of his marital woes doesn’t really endear him to me. How different are his marital issues when compared to Pirro’s? It seems only slightly better to me. Everyone knows that Jeanine‘s husband is an asshole. Andrew’s wife (or ex) isn’t that for sure. So what’s his excuse? And what about Andrew and his speaking fees received from entities that did business with HUD? What has he really done to deserve this job? Look, he is probably going to win the race, but for Gatemouth to insinuate some kind of moral deficiency in me because I endorsed Pirro, is nothing but another cheap shot. Anyone can look at my record on Room Eight; I am probably the most consistent blogger here when calling for accountability from electeds. I have taken stands and positions against corrupt, unethical and inept officials, when others here gave out pass cards. I have called over and over again for a higher standard of ethics and behavior from electeds. When I took the position I did on Yvette Clarke (8-25-06/degree), not one blogger here supported me on that stand. I took a beating in some pockets of the Caribbean-American community when I said that she should withdraw from the race. When Cynthia McKinney fucked up, I was first to expose her sense of entitlement-an affliction that most electeds suffer. I have hammered Roger Green, Clarence Norman and Angel Rodriguez- to name a few- for their past indiscretions, indulgences and extravagances. Likewise Diane Gordon; in fact I went further as it related to her. I put my money where my mouth was: I spent weeks in the district trying to unseat her; working long days and nights in this regard. For Gatemouth (and probably to a lesser extent “EnWhySeeWonk”), blogging is simply an intellectual exercise. To them it’s mental masturbation aiming to achieve some kind of cerebral orgasm. They don’t go into the trenches half as much as they should. There are few prices to pay for their position-takes. For me it’s different. When I blog I usually pay a high price. Some of the electeds that I critique are people I know personally. Others have staffers who serve with me on boards and on various executives. Others hold similar membership with me in various organizations. With others, I have friends and relatives in common. This isn’t easy for me. Still, I try to stay consistent; I try to stay principled-despite tremendous pressure not to rock the boat. Over the years I have faced the ostracism, victimization, intimidation, scorn, ridicule, threats and such. I have been isolated and alienated at times. What do you expect for someone who has publicly stated that we need to clean house amongst black electeds in Brooklyn? And I have said this for ages. What do you expect for someone who has given aid, advice and comfort to challengers of the political status quo, over and over and again? When I ran for public office I got little support. What a surprise! Quel dommage! A few months ago I was up for a political position in Brooklyn; it was a job I wanted to do. I lost out because the decision makers felt that my selection would have been upsetting to too many electeds. They had sounded out my selection beforehand. So you see Mr. Gatemouth, this is no game for me. Getting back to the Hevesi issue for a minute: despite all his accomplishments in the political arena, the private sector and also in academia, Alan Hevesi comes out of this looking real bad. His actions reek of old-fashioned greed, mixed with cynicism and nihilism; it is also sprinkled with a healthy dose of self-entitlement. There is no excuse for a reputed millionaire- whose annual income is supposedly around half a million dollars- to do what he did. He could have easily afforded to hire some one privately to deal with his spousal concerns. Within a week of my aforementioned article, a friend of mine who works in the comptroller’s office, asked me why I was coming down so hard on his boss; I had to tell him it was nothing personal, that it was strictly about standards. If we don’t hold electeds to the highest standards, then very soon we will be come a nation akin to Nigeria, where corruption is the order of the day. Today, I have to endorse Hevesi’s republican opponent for this race. I am doing this not because I think that Chris Callaghan is “all that”, but because he happens to be in the right place at the right time; that’s all. Sometimes success in life comes about because of this; and Chris Callaghan sure wrote the book on “serendipity”. He needs to play the lotto real soon. In the past, I have said little on “gay-marriage” beyond the fact that at this point in my development, I am opposed to it. I have said that marriage is already defined: a man marries a woman and vice versa. This is traditional and historical. To me marriage was spawned in theology and nurtured in common-law. I have even said that gays, lesbians, bi-sexual and transgendered people have every right to agitate for the change they want to that definition. Just as those who disagree have every right to push back. I have asked to be enlightened as to when did “marriage” (of any kind) become a “right” that is somehow being denied a group of people. Even the New Jersey State Supreme Court couldn’t find this “fundamental right” in their monumental and historic decision on the issue, just this past week. I have refused to be drawn into a fire fight; I haven’t even exposed my main arguments on this issue. But my position on this issue has been enough for Gatemouth and Wonk to want to silence me; thus the cheap shots. When Wonk went after me for stating the obvious, in an article I wrote earlier this summer on Leroy Comrie (which made mention of Speaker Quinn’s sexual preference), his sidekick Gatemouth injected himself into the brouhaha. He said that he understood Wonk’s beef with me. Fine. I asked him to explain this beef, he declined. I asked again- when Wonk went after me on another thread- he still refused to explain this supposed beef. Fine. Then he writes this article and after taking his cheap shots at me, he tells Wonk that he (Wonk) owes him a dinner. So friggin childish. I tried to steer Gate (and anyone interested) to the threads which would have exposed Wonk’s lies and intellectual dishonesty, but to no avail. There’s a gay-clique on these blogs that doesn’t brook any kind of disagreement on issues they consider “gay”. They are totalitarian in their projections. This is so unfortunate. People’s sexual preferences and choices are just that: people’s sexual preferences and choices. I don’t care who sleeps with whom; it’s really not my business. I do care that hopefully everyone has a bed to sleep in when the night (or daylight) comes. Since 1980 I have lost over two dozen friends to the AIDS epidemic; most of them were gay. In 1986/87, I remember myself having to help clean up the vomit and faeces of a gay friend dying from this disease (twice). I did this unflinchingly because I try to be a loving, caring and compassionate person. That was about being humane. Gay–marriage is about your world-view. It’s about the way you see things. Something as profound as redefining traditional marriage needs to be debated fully; a change of this magnitude can’t be forced down straight people’s throats (no pun intended); otherwise they will be turned off instead of being sympathetic and understanding. It is always easier to catch flies using honey than say vinegar. Think about this you two. There are times when I really don’t mind the discourse, in fact it is sometimes very edifying; but I do hate the cheap shots. Cheap shots are just that: cheap. So cease and desist, I am in deep enough.
The subject matter for Rock’s very long rant is based upon a paragraph I wrote which contains less than 100 words: “On September 26, 2006, I became the first prominent partisan NY Democratic blogger to declare he could not vote for Alan Hevesi’s re-election. This was two days before Rock Hackshaw, who given his September 18 endorsement of Jeanine Pirro, is obviously somewhat less driven than I am by rigid standards of ideology (and given that he still supports Pirro, is also seemingly somewhat less driven by rigid standards of morality, at least on subjects other than same-sex marriage)[OK Wonk, you owe me dinner]” The words in contention seemed to me a good way to open a column with a couple of jokes I thought would be appreciated by “Room 8" regulars. The very fact that I mentioned “morality” should have been clue enough for anyone that the comment was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Of course, the jokes were largely gratuitous, and meta-referential, something I’ve often objected to, but they were intended for quick laughs, and I did not dwell upon them. They were intended merely as some harmless towel-snapping in the “Room 8" locker room. The last thing I wanted was to start another Wonk v. Rock type pissing match. For the records, I have written before about the Wonk-Rock feud, and I think I was far harder on Wonk than on Rock, because I think Wonk has been far more petty. I also think that on 9/26, I adequately explained to Rock why I said understood where Wonk was coming from concerning Rock’s comment about Christine Quinn, when I said: “But Wonk was not without a point about the Quinn thing. Think of it the way Mo made me think about the Post cartoon. Quinn's sexuality was not relevant to the post. You brought it up, without (I believe) bad intent, but why, pray tell, bring it up at all? Sometimes it's relevant to mention that you are black, or Caribean, sometimes it's just gratutious. I know you meant no wrong, and perhaps Wonk overreacted, but he was not without his point. But, from there it's escalated into the realm of the ridiculous, and neither of you is without blame. BOTH OF YOU, STOP IT NOW! “ I also think I’ve detailed quite clearly my problems with Pirro, none of which have anything to do with her position on gay marriage, or my own, which pretty much tracks that of the New Jersey Supreme Court. In fact, as Rock knows, because he’s incessantly tried to bate me into debating him on the topic, nagging me on unrelated and semi-related posts, I am not the best spokeperson for the pro-same sex marriage viewpoint; as I noted on 10/6, when he accused me of trying to avoid discussing the topic: “Rock: I've had this discussion with you before, but I'll repeat it. I feel very strongly that society has evolved in such a manner where, to service the needs of families as they exist today, we must alter the laws to allow same-sex couples to avail themselves of the same bundle of rights and responsibilities we afford to heterosexual couples who make the choice; to wit, the imperfect institution of marriage. To me, the important thing is that the ability to elect to live under such rules exists; I could care less what it is called, but am sympathetic to those who feel strongly that calling it by a name other than what it is, is, in effect, discriminatory. Thus, while, in an ideal world, I'd prefer that same sex marriage be called "marriage", I think that the rights of these families being protected is such an imperative moral obligation that "gay marriage" advocates should be prepared, if necessary, to sacrifice the name "marriage" if it will get the affected families the rights they should be allowed to avail themselves of. As such, I'm the wrong person for you to debate. I'd compromise too easily to please the gay political establishment. But, thank you for asking” I will note that Rock is correct that I did not, in my initital comments, call for Hevesi’s resignation, probably because I am a due process junkie (but, I find this less of an issue when casting a ballot). I merely called for his retirement from office. The practical difference is one of little more than three months, but the result, as concerns Mr. Hevesi, is otherwise the same. On October 26, I went further, calling for Hevesi’s resignation as a necessary condition precedent before I could cast a vote for Comptroller on the Democratic line. Frankly, I don’t think I’ve been easy on Hevesi (Domestic Partner thinks his devotion to family marks him as a hero and commanded me to sleep on the couch), especially when compared with the usually purist crowd at places lke Daily Gotham. But, Rock is certainly free to be more punitive, and I certainly understand where he’s coming from (although he seems overly concerned with ballot-box due process for Pirro). I thought I had made my peace with Rock, and certainly don’t desire to continue feuding, but devoting an entire column to this is just a bit over the top. Half of me wants to apologize, though I’m not sure what for, and half wants to say “fuck you if you can’t take a joke”. Given my institutional stake in maintaining the quality of discourse at “Room 8”, contrition wins out. I’m sorry big fellow, I really don’t want to silence you, though I wish you (and Wonk) would stop writing columns like this one and get back to doing what you do best. As usual Rock generalizes what I said and implies that I'm a one issue voter (that issue being that I'm for full LGBT equality), when I'm far more complex than that; he also claims I said that Jeanine was more qualified, which is not what I said -- I said "may." Here is the quote: As to why Jeanine doesn't get a pass from the LGBT community it is three fold: First of all she refers to us as "the gays", secondly she fails on our bell weather issue of the day—she is not for same sex marriage—that's a reason for you to support her, Rock, and us to oppose her. Finally, she is a Republican. You waive that off the way pundits who supported Nader did in 2000 did. Eh, the parties aren't that different, really are they? Let's stop the partisan bull-crap! Tell that to the people of Iraq Rock—Al Gore would not have started that war. Being a Republican, in this day and age, when the Federal Marriage Ammendment is an official part of the GOP platform is enough reason to oppose her. When it comes to LGBT issues, the Republicans get an F, while the Dems get a C. Appart from "the gays' issues," she may be better qualified to be AG than Cuomo is, but New York needs to give Eliot every chance to improve this state—Jeanine is not going to be his ally. We need a Democrat in that position. In addition, she is likely to be far more pro-business than Eliot was. The list of reasons not to like her goes on and on. I am supporting and will help Andrew in any way he can to beat her. I read all the parties concerned here with great interest, and usually find something of value no matter the degree of agreement with the theses proferred.
Just sayin'.
Forget about the nonsense, girls. We've gone around and around this bush too many times. It's boring. It's time to beat up on another bush or Bush. Ha! Ha! Argh! Titter! Smile! Let's talk serious business. Are those really J.Pirro's lips? Is it a collagen thing? Or did she borrow them for the campaign. If I were or was or could be her campaign manager, I would hire what's his name...Musa Malawi or Baraka Robinson and just do a poster thing. Is this an anti-female blog? Does nobody like women any more? Let's get a grip and stand up like men, fellas. Go to the right. Scroll Up. Here's the campaign slogan: War, defecits, floods...oh wait, gay marriage? You guys sound like Republicans.
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I'm with you Rock. I would takes Jeannine Pirro's Mouth over GateMouth any day (or night).
Check out her photo on the sidelines here. I have an enlarged one which I use instead of Ambien to get me relaxed. Maybe your friend Wonky can use his skills and make a lot of us non-Gays happy by setting us up with a close up of that teasing face. However, on the other hand, you can't fault the Gate man when it comes to Mo. He gave our man a farewell to beat all farewells.